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[Anorthernsoul 1221]

They need a big, unifying character to come in as manager and do something similar to what Rafa did here, I reckon. They're in total disarray from top to bottom and any connection with the fans is probably long gone. Moyes has shown that he can't do it and I've got absolutely no idea who they could find that would have that effect. Considering we were fortunate to get Rafa (and even more fortunate to get him to stay), we're also a much more attractive proposition to tempt someone like that. I wouldn't touch Sunderland with a barge pole atm, they're a shambles.

 

 

He's vowed to stay and get them back in the Prem :lol:

[Howmanheyman 27377]

Kevin Ball, come on down!

[Monkeys Fist 39080]

Hasn't Eric Gates spent the last few years shovelling shit and managing pigs?

Get him in- perfectly qualified

[Kid Dynamite 6060]

 

Great reading

[adios 717]

Can't believe this one is real.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/sport/football/fa_carling_premiership/410156.stm

[RobinRobin 9394]

They need a big, unifying character to come in as manager and do something similar to what Rafa did here, I reckon. They're in total disarray from top to bottom and any connection with the fans is probably long gone. Moyes has shown that he can't do it and I've got absolutely no idea who they could find that would have that effect. Considering we were fortunate to get Rafa (and even more fortunate to get him to stay), we're also a much more attractive proposition to tempt someone like that. I wouldn't touch Sunderland with a barge pole atm, they're a shambles.

 

Got to be Pards!

[essembeeofsunderland 811]

Bally

The makem legend that is Bally has took them down once so why not give him the chance to do a' 'Stokoe' and take them back done to the third tier of English football once more.

[essembeeofsunderland 811]

I feel a bit sympathy for the makems.They've had to do without their top scorer Defoe for the last ten games.He hasn't been injured,just not given a fuck during this period.Still a makem legend because he scored against us.

[Anorthernsoul 1221]

Can't believe this one is real.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/sport/football/fa_carling_premiership/410156.stm

 

 

:lol: :lol:

[Howay 12496]

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/39766518

Mackems relegated on the dullest day in Premier League fixture history, also now hold the record for most days in the relegation zone since the Premier League started. 

 

"If you were to pick any day at random from Premier League history and look at the table, the odds are you will see Sunderland in the drop zone, kicking back with a pipe and slippers.

 

The Black Cats have spent 1,282 days of their Premier League existence in the bottom three, the most of any club - Southampton are next on 1,184.

Saturday's loss to Bournemouth confirmed their current 10-year stay in the top flight will come to an end.

 

During that period, Sunderland have spent 816 days in the drop zone - Wigan are closest with 590 - so you could say it had been coming."

 

So almost a quarter of the recent 10 years they've been in the league has been spent in the relegation zone.

Edited May 1, 2017 by Howay

[The Fish 9105]

Was it last year that they spent zero days outside the bottom four?

 

Why yes, yes it was;

 

Yet Allardyce is regarded as some kind of brilliant manager on Wearside. 38 days outside the bottom 3.

Edited May 2, 2017 by The Fish

[Ayatollah Hermione 12865]

Steve McClaren got us to spend 6 days in the top half  

[David Kelly 1117]

Even spending heavily doesn't guarantee success, just look at Villa. We were very lucky Rafa stayed and put a squad together to get us back up, he found the perfect blend that was needed for the job. Nothing about them tells me they will do it, the club is in disarray

 

 

Had to laugh at this BTW:

 

https://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/bournemouth-fans.1357374/

 

 

Daft unwashed cunts.

 

 

Love the comment on there about how Bournemouth didn't relegate them.

[essembeeofsunderland 811]

Little Bournemouth eh.

[Renton 17987]

Surely by their logic it will be whoever finishes 17th that relegates them?

[Tom 13898]

With the pitiful amount of points they've accumulated thus far & likelihood they won't win another game There's plenty teams that will want to steak a claim for relegating them.

 

Not least Boro who beat them twice

[Ayatollah Hermione 12865]

Gabbiadini on Radio Newcastle atm in desperate denial about a lot of things, mind. "We had a team of full internationals out" being a good one. 

[Howay 12496]

There's some serious fucking denial going on over there tbh. Listing players like Kharzi, Borini, Kone, Anichebe, etc and saying "they'll all be the best in the division in their positions, Dean Whitehead plays in that league for a play off team ffs". Anichebe's highest goal tally in his career is 6 goals, the other three are complete fucking shite, if they think that rabble will be the best in this league they're in for a fucking shock. 

The mentioning of their shite ex-players being 'key players' of play-off sides is a common one as well, Bridcutt is Leeds best player and Whitehead plays every week, that'll be a player with 22 starts and one with 10 starts then.

 

Then there's the "the 2nd best side in the league lost to 10 man Hull, that's the drop in quality ffs", the bloke got sent off in the 89th minute, we were away, and it was 0-0 at full time so in a Premier League game we'd have picked a point up, we also had 61% possession and 32 shots. It's also worth pointing out that Conference side Lincoln City beat Ipswich, Brighton and Burnley in the cup, so by that logic Lincoln are better than a Premier League side.

[ohhh_yeah 2795]

 

On more than one front, Sunderland can be said to have led the way in the past year, but not in a good way.

 

In June it was the first city to declare in the European Union referendum, its overwhelming leave vote setting the tone for a seismic shift in taking back control of Britain’s affairs, or a reckless step into a wholly uncertain future, depending on your view.

 

With similarly indecent haste, its football team couldn’t even make it into May before hoisting the white flag in its now annual battle for top flight survival, as David Moyes’ side was condemned to occupy one of the three relegation berths to the Championship. From Brexit to Prexit in the space of 11 months. These are turbulent times on Wearside.

 

Given that the region’s major economic powerhouse, Nissan — more than 7,000 workers directly employed, and another 20,000 indirectly — exports 55% of the 500,000 cars it builds each year to the EU, turkeys voting for Christmas would seem an apt analogy for the 60% of myopic little Britons who were so keen to give Europe the heave-ho.

 

Belatedly, it would appear the penny has dropped. A recent poll in the local Sunderland Echo newspaper suggested that, given the benefit of hindsight, last summer’s leave decision would now be overturned to one of remain.

 

With the clock ticking on an uncertain two-year exit timetable, such a course of action clearly isn’t available. It is similarly impossible to reverse an end to Sunderland’s decade-long membership of the richest league in world football. It is one they take their leave of with debts pushing £120m, a woefully inept squad commanding the vast majority of a ludicrously high £83m wagebill, and even the most staunch supporters predicting the only swift route out of the second tier will be into the third. It’s short odds on Wearside still being a Premier League no-go zone in 2021, when Sunderland hopes to embrace 12 months as the UK’s City of Culture.

 

Despite the obvious pitfalls, many fans see relegation as a chance to make a fresh start. Tom Walsh, a contributor to fanzine Roker Report eloquently outlines the thoughts of many die-hards: “I miss the excitement of watching Sunderland,” he said. “I miss the feeling of thinking ‘we’re going to beat these’ — and then actually beating them.

 

“Relegation is daunting but it could be the perfect opportunity to start afresh, to build a hungry, young squad, breed a winning mentality and give us more momentum should we return. Let’s not pretend those trips to Barnsley, Sheffield United, and Preston aren’t immense fun. Big allocations, easy trips, good pubs and more than a slim chance that we’ll actually win. The Championship can give us all that and more. Yes, we may fall further but then we can look forward to doing it all again in League One.”

 

Sunderland FC is one of 80 overseas-owned companies in the region, though Ellis Short has for some time been keen to reduce that number by one. There is little feeling that the 56-year-old billionaire US financier who has been solely at the helm since 2009, has the stomach for the fight in the Championship, Sunderland’s newfound membership of which is set to severely dent the almost £20m in football tourism brought to the city annually by the fact of being able to boast a Premier League club. Along similar lines, Sunderland University will be shorn of a valuable global reach provided by its proximity to a side in England’s top flight in its effort to attract potential overseas students, especially from the Far East.

 

And what about those other, less tangible effects of relegation on Wearside? James Ramsbotham, chairman of the North-East England Chamber of Commerce, said: “Every single business in the North East will tell you when the side supported by most employees is doing well, productivity and commitment goes up.”

 

The financial meltdown as a result of trading visits by the Premier League elite for trips to Burton and Barnsley is clear, but the poignancy of the human cost is even more real. In excess of 40 people, whose impending redundancies were announced by the club well before a five-year sleep walk towards relegation was sealed by a home defeat to Bournemouth at the end of April, last week held a joint leaving get-together. It would be wrong to call it a party, more a fond farewell and a chance to wish good luck to friends, like them, who have been so quickly cut free into choppy waters.

 

None of the current squad have been as crass as to follow the brazen example of former defender Michael Gray, who turned up to training in a new Ferrari in the aftermath of a relegation which heralded a previous raft of job losses. However, the departing cleaners and other behind the scenes staff who earn in a year what one of Moyes’ missing in action ‘stars’ commands in half a week must wonder why it is they who pay with their livelihoods. Those responsible for the on-pitch ineptitude at worse accept the inconvenience of a reduction in pay, or simply move onto another club gullible enough to provide similarly astronomical remuneration.

 

John O’Shea is a decent man who comprehends the financial and social costs of relegation rather more than Gray did in 2003. The Ireland defender is out of contract this summer, but keen to cultivate the roots he has put down in the area since joining from Manchester United almost six years ago. Many see him as a future manager at the Stadium of Light, possibly as successor to Moyes, whose future remains uncertain. “I know the attitude and graft and decency of the people around the place and relegation is not nice,” he said. “They’re the ones who I really feel for.”

-Jason Mellor-

[RobinRobin 9394]

"There is little feeling that the 56-year-old billionaire US financier who has been solely at the helm since 2009, has the stomach for the fight in the Championship"

 

He did not have the stomach for a fight in the Premiership!

[RobinRobin 9394]

There's some serious fucking denial going on over there tbh. Listing players like Kharzi, Borini, Kone, Anichebe, etc and saying "they'll all be the best in the division in their positions, Dean Whitehead plays in that league for a play off team ffs". Anichebe's highest goal tally in his career is 6 goals, the other three are complete fucking shite, if they think that rabble will be the best in this league they're in for a fucking shock. 

The mentioning of their shite ex-players being 'key players' of play-off sides is a common one as well, Bridcutt is Leeds best player and Whitehead plays every week, that'll be a player with 22 starts and one with 10 starts then.

 

Then there's the "the 2nd best side in the league lost to 10 man Hull, that's the drop in quality ffs", the bloke got sent off in the 89th minute, we were away, and it was 0-0 at full time so in a Premier League game we'd have picked a point up, we also had 61% possession and 32 shots. It's also worth pointing out that Conference side Lincoln City beat Ipswich, Brighton and Burnley in the cup, so by that logic Lincoln are better than a Premier League side.

 

Most of the players named will be looking for an out asap, however good or bad they may be, especially the first three.

[Dr Gloom 20042]

Where's the piece from? I started out thinking it was wind up job from an nufc fanzine

[The Fish 9105]

Financial Times Magazine?

[ewerk 26738]

It appears to be from the Irish Examiner http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/soccer/sunderlands-journey-from-brexit-to-prexit-449207.html

[rogerbarton 24]

Was it last year that they spent zero days outside the bottom four?

 

Why yes, yes it was;

 

Yet Allardyce is regarded as some kind of brilliant manager on Wearside. 38 days outside the bottom 3.

 

Wow, that really shows how dreadful we were last season. Wouldn't have said we spent half the season in 19th place. Really makes you wonder why McClaren didn't go A LOT sooner.

Edited May 3, 2017 by rogerbarton