Dr Gloom 2,933 Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 The pattern not the size. Too early to tell really but seems to be a mix of UKIP and Tory when I thought they had lost their popularity for being too close to the Tories. The criticism I kept hearing of Clegg was stuff like tuition fees. How have voters who have left the centre position because 'Clegg betrayed them' gone to the far right? Ukip are picking up a lot of the disgruntled working class labour vote. I don't get it either Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Christmas Tree 153 Posted May 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 It's going to be a right fucking pigs ear if Labour with 239 votes end up getting in while the Tories have 300 plus. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Happy Face 27 Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 Not surprised you disagree. Or that you do so with a load of old bollocks. Lib dems are a liberal progressive party. Ukip are a conservative regressive party. Anyone making that switch is a moron. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Park Life 68 Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 (edited) Don't understand why, the Tories hate them. They want to scrap the license fee and give a free reign to Murdoch. I know it's fashionable on alternative website to cast the BBC as pure establishment but most Tories hate the idea of a nationalised broadcaster. Only cause them and their friends see it as a money making scam - global audience - Eng speaking. That trumps whatever 'wormtongue' favours it might do them. The back catalog alone must be worth a billion. Glasgow Uni media Group did brilliant work on the BBC bias about 20 years ago. Edited May 7, 2015 by Park Life Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jonasjuice 0 Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 This! I don't get it. Majority of voters not particularly interested in politics vote base on how well the leaders come across to them in the small soundbites/headlines rather than their actual policies/philosophies, which can be easiliy influenced by media/'narrative'. Think LibDems gained a lot last time due to Clegg being seen as a fresh faced alternative rather than any actual improvement in Lib policies, and now he's seen as a weak willed lying turncoat, they're done with him and move onto whoever tick's their big brother popularity box, irrelevant to how close their new choice matches the policies they voted for last time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dr Gloom 2,933 Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 It's going to be a right fucking pigs ear if Labour with 239 votes end up getting in while the Tories have 300 plus. Centre-left and left leaning parties will have a majority if the libdems don't do a deal with the Tories again. It's not too late for clegg to save his career! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tom 2,993 Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 Range Rovers AOTS, with the odd wanker in a taxi Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ant 332 Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 Sweet fucking Jesus, Sammy Wilson sticks a gun to the Tories head before he know whether he has a gun, Someone shoot him now. Fuck it, stick with tradition and cover him in semtex. ununun unun un money money money... money! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dr Gloom 2,933 Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 Majority of voters not particularly interested in politics vote base on how well the leaders come across to them in the small soundbites/headlines rather than their actual policies/philosophies, which can be easiliy influenced by media/'narrative'. Think LibDems gained a lot last time due to Clegg being seen as a fresh faced alternative rather than any actual improvement in Lib policies, and now he's seen as a weak willed lying turncoat, they're done with him and move onto whoever tick's their big brother popularity box, irrelevant to how close their new choice matches the policies they voted for last time. Sadly this is where labour got it wrong. Miliband doesn't look or sound like a statesman. Apparently how you look while eating a bacon sandwhich and a silly voice is enough to keep you out of office today. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jonasjuice 0 Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 Can I ask a stupid question? What happens if somehow Lab/SNP/LIbDem form a coalition, but Clegg loses his seat? Could he still lead the party in that coalition? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PaddockLad 2,641 Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 Centre-left and left leaning parties will have a majority if the libdems don't do a deal with the Tories again. It's not too late for clegg to save his career! If the exit polls are correct and Labour go back on everything theyve said and get into bed with the SNP + the lib dems its 307 for them v 316 for the tories so thats not really plausible... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Park Life 68 Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 Sadly this is where labour got it wrong. Miliband doesn't look or sound like a statesman. Apparently how you look while eating a bacon sandwhich and a silly voice is enough to keep you out of office today. Most people can't name 3 policies after weeks of campaigns and as mentioned will just vote for someone who 'looks right'. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PaddockLad 2,641 Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 Close Follow Nate SilverVerified account@NateSilver538 Exit polls have been highly accurate in every recent election except 1992, 1994, 1996, 1998, 2000, 2002, 2004, 2006, 2008 and 2010. Reply Retweet Favourite More Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Christmas Tree 153 Posted May 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 Close 45] FollowNate SilverVerified account@NateSilver538 Exit polls have been highly accurate in every recent election except 1992, 1994, 1996, 1998, 2000, 2002, 2004, 2006, 2008 and 2010. Reply Retweet Favourite More the exit poll was spot on in 2010 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dr Gloom 2,933 Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 If the exit polls are correct and Labour go back on everything theyve said and get into bed with the SNP + the lib dems its 307 for them v 316 for the tories so thats not really plausible... Ah shite. So my maths is still rubbish. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChezGiven 0 Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 You do if you're a person who wouldnt vote Labour even if your mum was standing for them....suppose its just a different side of the coin from up north where huge swathes of the electorate wouldnt go near anyone blue.. So therefore what is causing the shift? To that constituency of voter why swing back to the Tories given what the LibDems have done? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Happy Face 27 Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 the exit poll was spot on in 2010One was Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChezGiven 0 Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 Editor of the Sun going on about a last minute surge to the Tories 'out of nowhere' Fuck off you disingenuous cunt. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PaddockLad 2,641 Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 So therefore what is causing the shift? To that constituency of voter why swing back to the Tories given what the LibDems have done? Tend to agree with this from jonajuice...lots of people look at life pretty simplistically and go on personalities...I was on a course today with lots of my gurning one eyed collegues saying "urr Millibands a mong".. Majority of voters not particularly interested in politics vote base on how well the leaders come across to them in the small soundbites/headlines rather than their actual policies/philosophies, which can be easiliy influenced by media/'narrative'. Think LibDems gained a lot last time due to Clegg being seen as a fresh faced alternative rather than any actual improvement in Lib policies, and now he's seen as a weak willed lying turncoat, they're done with him and move onto whoever tick's their big brother popularity box, irrelevant to how close their new choice matches the policies they voted for last time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Park Life 68 Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 (edited) Labour aren't left enough for Scotland or right enough (now) for middle Eng. Blair has fucked the party for the foreseeable future. Tories have huge machinery and money and huge swathes of bought and paid for media. Labour strategy should have been more edgy and more honest, but ultimately they haven't been a revolutionary force for quite some time - loaded as they are these days with career politicians and soft right Blair clones in steering committees. The right are rising throughout Europe and its primarily to do with fear. Varafoukis was studying here during Thatcher days and he said that a Thatch win would teach the working class a lesson (first term)..... The left need a set piece to organise around...A grand gesture. Honestly they have no idea. I mean the mind boggles that they didn't just come out and say they would get rid of tuition fees completely. Would have won on that alone. Edited May 7, 2015 by Park Life Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RedfernMag 0 Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 Swindon, always hated that shithole. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RedfernMag 0 Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 better software apparently (Radio 4) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RedfernMag 0 Posted May 8, 2015 Report Share Posted May 8, 2015 Parliamentary politics, bourgeois theatre. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tom 2,993 Posted May 8, 2015 Report Share Posted May 8, 2015 Dialectical Sadness , Tears of Camus Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RedfernMag 0 Posted May 8, 2015 Report Share Posted May 8, 2015 :-) a Dead Poet, and you didn't know it... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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