Rayvin 4972 Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 sorry, my statistics isn't good enough to appreciate nuances in humour! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26982 Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 An opinion poll on someone who has been in the job less than a week? Fuck off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4005 Posted July 17, 2016 Author Share Posted July 17, 2016 Watched Owen Smith a bit over the last few days. Think you trots have a good'un there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4972 Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 Â He's not going to win it, man. The whole thing is a farce, and it looks to me like Eagle and Smith are more interested in gunning for each other, anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 27756 Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 Watched Owen Smith a bit over the last few days. Think you trots have a good'un there.Welsh. Never going to happen in this day and age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4005 Posted July 17, 2016 Author Share Posted July 17, 2016 (edited) Welsh. Never going to happen in this day and age.That was initial thought too, but he definitely has a bit of the magic about him. Very cool calm and collected. Â And he's all for a get out referendum "if the public mood changes over the next 18 months". Â Hustings tomorrow between him and Eagle. She'll drop out Tuesday at the latest. As I said before, she's good at orating Tory ministers but is an empty vessel with regard to leadership. Edited July 17, 2016 by Christmas Tree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 27756 Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 That was initial thought too, but he definitely has a bit of the magic about him. Very cool calm and collected. Â And he's all for a get out referendum "if the public mood changes over the next 18 months". Â Hustings tomorrow between him and Eagle. She'll drop out Tuesday at the latest. As I said before, she's good at orating Tory ministers but is an empty vessel with regard to leadership. He's a fucking taff, man. No scot or Welshman will ever be electable in England. The papers and brexiters would see to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4005 Posted July 17, 2016 Author Share Posted July 17, 2016 He's a fucking taff, man. No scot or Welshman will ever be electable in England. The papers and brexiters would see to that. He's English Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 27756 Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 He's English He has a Welsh accent and he's in the labour party. That's good enough for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26982 Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 So we're renewing Trident for the bargain price of £31bn.  Austerity. We're all in this together.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 39221 Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 Pfft, we can just apply for an EU grant to help fund it. Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Oh...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4026 Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 They should paint the subs and the missiles to have bell ends and balls. That's the only fucking point of the thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holden McGroin 5116 Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 We might need a nuclear deterrent they way this world is going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 20228 Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 So we're renewing Trident for the bargain price of £31bn.  Austerity. We're all in this together.. The total final bill is likely to be north of £150bn.  I think we've had this debate on here already but I can't picture a bigger waste of money at a time when the NHS is on its knees and public services broadly are being shredded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 I don't see the point of being in NATO and having an independent nuclear submarine arsenal. A gigantic waste of money. Keep a few at airbases for dropping as a final recourse, its cheap and keeps people guessing. Subs these days are too easily tracked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 If the existing trident lasted 40 years, then even at £150B, it's less than £4B a year though, right?  Can't find a more recent one, but for context...    Should't one tenth of the annual military budget go on a nuclear detterent? Half of one percent of the total budget?   I'm a lefty liberal Corbynista, but if that £4bn was left in the £222bn social care bill, or even the £140Bn Heathcare bill, would it be make a massive difference to those services following the cuts they've already experienced?  Also need to ask how much of the £150B goes back into the economy? How many jobs does it create to lessen the social care burden? Hope we aren't paying some other countries to knock it up for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 You need about 12 subs tho. 3 are too easily tracked even by satellites these days. Even of the 3 one seems to be permanently in dry dock and there have been repeated failings with all of them. There is a doc about it somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 14966 Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 (edited) There's votes in renewing trident though, regardless of it's merits as a deterrent. The witless 52% who voted to leave the EU will all think it's a good thing I imagine; "keeps us at the top table" etc etc  Reckon CT could go either way on this, could go just against the consensus on here as per normal and think it's a wizard idea, just to be contrary.......or he could double bluff seeing as I've mentioned it and think renewal is a a waste of public money, and there's far easier ways of getting it into the back pockets of Tory party doners, just for the sake of contrayness... Edited July 19, 2016 by PaddockLad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 20228 Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 There's votes in renewing trident though, regardless of it's merits as a deterrent. The witless 52% who voted to leave the EU will all think it's a good thing I imagine; "keeps us at the top table" etc etc  Reckon CT could go either way on this, could go just against the consensus on here as per normal and think it's a wizard idea, just to be contrary.......or he could double bluff seeing as I've mentioned it and think renewal is a a waste of public money, and there's far easier ways of getting it into the back pockets of Tory party doners, just for the sake of contrayness...  i'm on tenterhooks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 14966 Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 The bulls knacka bulls knacka weighs in on Syria, and guess what?....it's a complelty different opinion to one he proffered last year  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/19/boris-johnson-bashar-al-assad-must-go-if-syrians-suffering-to-end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30932 Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 The bulls knacka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4005 Posted July 19, 2016 Author Share Posted July 19, 2016 (edited) Reckon CT could go either way on thisIf only we had a Trident thread where you could check      Our history is littered with invasions from Europe. The last attempt still in living memory.  Who knows what will happen in 10, 20 or 30 years.  Guaranteed that no Europeans are sending future army's thisaway with Nuclears in our arsenal.  Disgraceful this lefty shit is still getting an airing.  https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?url=http://www.toontastic.net/board/index.php?/topic/35503-We-should-get-rid-of-Trident%2E/page__view__findpost__p__1332070&share_tid=35503&share_fid=30973&share_type=t&share_pid=1332070   What I would do if I was PM would be to pretend to order it and make all the big wigs sign one of those top secret national security 50 year jobs. Edited July 19, 2016 by Christmas Tree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 35980 Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 He's not looking well, Boris. Think there's been some comfort eating going on this past month. He's got a head like a fucking watermelon at the minute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3285 Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 If only we had a Trident thread where you could check      Our history is littered with invasions from Europe. The last attempt still in living memory.  Who knows what will happen in 10, 20 or 30 years.  Guaranteed that no Europeans are sending future army's thisaway with Nuclears in our arsenal.  Disgraceful this lefty shit is still getting an airing.  https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?url=http://www.toontastic.net/board/index.php?/topic/35503-We-should-get-rid-of-Trident%2E/page__view__findpost__p__1332070&share_tid=35503&share_fid=30973&share_type=t&share_pid=1332070   What I would do if I was PM would be to pretend to order it and make all the big wigs sign one of those top secret national security 50 year jobs. When was this invasion in living memory? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 When was this invasion in living memory? Â The Pokemons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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