zico martin 84 Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 i think a new manager = a new team anyway, at least I am still optimistic that ginger mac can find some quality in what we have already. Admittedly that optimism will probably only last a couple of games! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30506 Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 i think a new manager = a new team anyway Well, you saw the impact Carver had Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 14092 Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 Carver gave us a new team. Unfortunately it was the Micronesia under-23s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zico martin 84 Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 I said manager, not the best coach in the premier league! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 What are our full back options? Haidara, Janmaat, Dummett, Anita, Colback, Stevie T? Â Seriously weak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ausman 0 Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 I'd prefer Dummett as a centre half than at full back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19856 Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 What are our full back options? Haidara, Janmaat, Dummett, Anita, Colback, Stevie T? Â Seriously weak. Only fancy Janmaat out of that lot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 14649 Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 Only fancy Janmaat out of that lot Yeah, but name a side with three or four full backs as good as him?...it's not that my expectations are low, but ffs be realistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19856 Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 Yeah, but name a side with three or four full backs as good as him?...it's not that my expectations are low, but ffs be realistic. Is it unrealistic to expect a first choice left back of better quality than the others listed? I don't mind most of them as back up but only Janmaat is good enough for a starting role Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 I woulda taken Santon for the other flank... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19856 Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 Yup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 We had Debuchy and Santon at one point, now Janmaat and Hairdara. Downgrades on both sides Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 14649 Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 Is it unrealistic to expect a first choice left back of better quality than the others listed? I don't mind most of them as back up but only Janmaat is good enough for a starting role Yeah that's fair. We've not replaced Santon, who was never a decent left back for me in a million years and Haidara is already a better fit iyam, but a lot of the time the same old shit gets rolled out about the squad in general i.e. It's not strong enough in all positions. It's stating the blindingly obvious that it never will be to the extent we all want under Ashley,but the mark of a really good coach is the improvement he can make and sustain to the players he inherits. Â Am prepared to wait and see. We annihilated Pardew,Carver and Stone for not being able to get the most out of all the players. What needs to improve over and above ability for me is attitude, not turning up for half a fuckin season is a far worse crime than being shit. If McClaren can inspire consistency of performance in effort and ability over nine months then we'll be a dozen points better off iyam. That doesn't sound a very high target but seeing as we could've been relegated on two out the the last three seasons on the final day the bar is pretty low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 12771 Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 We had Debuchy and Santon at one point, now Janmaat and Hairdara. Downgrades on both sides  Janmaat is comfortably better than Debuchy. I don't miss Cabaye's boyfriend in the slightest. At least Haidara is a left footer on the left but Santon's mismanagement was yet another Pardew masterstroke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 12771 Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 A double signing of a striker and centre half would go some way to calming things down, I think. They reckon Mbemba is only 20 but he's from the Congo so his real age is probably about 28 so he should be fine.  As I was saying  http://edition.cnn.com/2013/02/01/sport/football/age-african-football-mbemba/  Bloke has four birthdays and is probably 26/27. Champion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 Sky saying they've "been told" we still want Austin as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 27047 Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 Sky saying they've "been told" we still want Austin as well. That's good enough for me, CT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 Â Janmaat is comfortably better than Debuchy. I don't miss Cabaye's boyfriend in the slightest. At least Haidara is a left footer on the left but Santon's mismanagement was yet another Pardew masterstroke. Â Can't agree. Not that Janmaat isn't decent enough, but I think Debuchy's injury problems since he left us have probably kept us from seeing what we're missing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitman 2188 Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 Â Can't agree. Not that Janmaat isn't decent enough, but I think Debuchy's injury problems since he left us have probably kept us from seeing what we're missing. Sounds like we're missing someone with a lot of injury problems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonotl 2431 Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 Nah he's better though. Look at Football Manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 (edited) The team certainly played better with him in it. I don't think Janmaat has the same energy Debuchy has and gets caught out of position sometimes. Think Debuchy had a bit more consistency too, but Janmaat has age on his side. Edited July 19, 2015 by TheGingerQuiff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 12771 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 (edited) Â Can't agree. Not that Janmaat isn't decent enough, but I think Debuchy's injury problems since he left us have probably kept us from seeing what we're missing. Â I'm not one for stats but IIRC, they show that Janmaat provides more assists than he did. I think he's more solid defensively too. Â Let the record show that I am not prepared to engage in a Fish-style discussion about this. I probably won't even read the replies Edited July 19, 2015 by Ayatollah Hermione Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACKANDWHITEGEORDIE 0 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 If they don't get a move on, Austin will end up at Villa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anorthernsoul 1221 Posted July 19, 2015 Author Share Posted July 19, 2015 The team certainly played better with him in it. I don't think Janmaat has the same energy Debuchy has and gets caught out of position sometimes. Think Debuchy had a bit more consistency too, but Janmaat has age on his side. Janmaat is fucking quality, he gives more to the team than Debuchy. Debuchy can't defend, Janmaat is more solid. I am looking forward to seeing him marauding down the wing again this season. Plus Debuchy is a crock, Janmaat is like a machine and is rarely injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Of course Debuchy can defend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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