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11 minutes ago, MMXXVIII said:

Hoy the bat y'ginger twat. There's a fine line between being born in New Zealand and not being a cunt ye kna.

He bats much better when he plays himself in though. 

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4 minutes ago, MMXXVIII said:

 

Very true. Feels like emotion has taken control of his captaincy and I hope it pays off to my amazement 

I wonder if he’ll bat more properly now he’s essentially a specialist batsman. 

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One innings. That’s it. Cemented his place for years to come. So annoyed it was him. He won’t score more than 20 in 2nd innings or next test, or next series as he is a walking wicket. Could have been out 4 or 5 times, streaky score from an average to poor player.

 

(if I keep saying this perhaps he’ll morph into the next Gooch)

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That’s a bit harsh I think. He rode his luck early on without a doubt. But he had much more controlled second half of his innings and played some lovely shots. I mean he’s never going to be great. But i don’t think there’s any better options out there. I think him and Duckett have the best record since Strauss / Cook as an opening partnership. I appreciate that says more about what’s come before than anything btw

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1 hour ago, Alex said:

I think he thought there were two when he set off 

Agreed but he should have been sure. Probably only shortened the innings by a couple of balls. Stokes was ready to declare as soon as he got there. 

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shame the weather robbed us of what looked like certain victory. we all knew it was coming though and after going too bazball with the early declaration at edgbaston, they went the other way this time, letting bairstow bat for too long. we should have declared at or before lunch on day 3, given we knew most of the weekend would be lost to rain. it was our only chance of forcing a win, and that was what the philosophy was supposed to be all about/ 

 

clinging on to a draw thanks to the weather is a bit of a flat way for the aussies to retain the urn. i think bazball works. it's great to watch, it's been a bloody brilliant series, and it feels to me like we won more sessions than we have lost. it just needs to be applied with more brains at times. it'll be interesting to see how they develop this playing style, and whether they can take it into the next series down under with a younger bowling attack. 

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The schedule was ridiculous, forcing 5 tests into basically 6 weeks and expecting all of them to be played in full was madness, but can't affect the hundred (fucking shite).

 

Going 2-0 down was the killer, we were bound to end up with a weather draw.

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5 hours ago, Dr Gloom said:

shame the weather robbed us of what looked like certain victory. we all knew it was coming though and after going too bazball with the early declaration at edgbaston, they went the other way this time, letting bairstow bat for too long. we should have declared at or before lunch on day 3, given we knew most of the weekend would be lost to rain. it was our only chance of forcing a win, and that was what the philosophy was supposed to be all about/ 

 

clinging on to a draw thanks to the weather is a bit of a flat way for the aussies to retain the urn. i think bazball works. it's great to watch, it's been a bloody brilliant series, and it feels to me like we won more sessions than we have lost. it just needs to be applied with more brains at times. it'll be interesting to see how they develop this playing style, and whether they can take it into the next series down under with a younger bowling attack. 

The weather didn’t rob us, dropped catches and shit batting lost us the ashes

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Declaring earlier would’ve just meant Australia got ahead in terms of runs earlier, so it wouldn’t have made any difference given there was only about 3 hours play on the last two days combined. I actually think declaring would’ve made a draw even more certain. I think they did the right thing in hoping they might be able to just bat once and that there might just be enough play possible. At the time little or no play was expected on Saturday with Sunday looking much more promising. So they had the weather in mind but I think the way it transpired showed you can’t make plans for exactly how much time would’ve been lost. 
‘Bazball’ working or not is just a daft way of looking at it though. When they went ultra aggressive they lost the first two tests. And the wicketkeeping errors, which were the result of a ‘Bazball’ selection, were also a huge factor in the defeats. Even headingley was less comfortable than it should’ve been because of reckless second innings batting. The only time England were massively dominant in a match was this one. And they actually scored more, at a faster rate overall, by taking stock at the end of day two and Stokes and Brook not giving it away. Obviously Crawley’s innings was a massive part of that and he created the early momentum. In other words it’s not one or the other, it’s applying the aggressive strategy with a bit of control at times. It’s not a choice between ‘Bazball’ or everyone batting like Chris Tavare. It is about winning though. It’s a fucking stupid term anyway. Even McCullum doesn’t like it. All the “I’m not a cricket fan but….” bellends can kiss my cheeks too tbh. They’ll be back on to love island and Arsenal podcasts now Australia have retained the ashes. 
I completely agree with TP about the mental schedule too.

I do however think, given this Australia side are coming to the end of their cycle, that England possibly have their best chance in a while next time down under. They need to nurture some genuine quicks though. Wood has made a huge difference and a lot of the pitches will be similar to Headingley 

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2 hours ago, Kevin Carr's Gloves said:

The weather didn’t rob us, dropped catches and shit batting lost us the ashes


The weather robbed us in this test match. We looked on course for a comfortable victory 

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On the genuine quicks point, we have been desperately unlucky with the fitness of Archer, Wood and Stone. Those three plus Tongue, who was unlucky not to play more than a single test in this series, are the type of bowlers who could get some joy on Australian decks. Throw in Broad for a final Ashes tour if only so he can keep getting Warmer out 

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7 hours ago, Dr Gloom said:

On the genuine quicks point, we have been separately unlucky with the fitness of Archer, Wood and Stone. Those three plus Tongue, who was unlucky not to play more than a single test in this series, are the type of bowlers who could get some joy on Australian decks. Throw in Broad for a final Ashes tour if only so he can keep getting Warmer out 

He's lucky he is still getting picked.  He wants to go out in the New Year test in Sydney anyway, but the only way he will still be there for that test is if the selectors fold to player power (which they usually do).  If he hadn't got a double hundred in last year's Boxing Day test he would already have been on the scrap heap.

Having said that, it is funny to see him getting out to Broad.

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10 hours ago, Kevin Carr's Gloves said:

The weather didn’t rob us, dropped catches and shit batting lost us the ashes

I think you can probably accept the shit batting if not for those dropped catches in the first test.  We should be 2-1 ahead.

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11 hours ago, Dr Gloom said:

On the genuine quicks point, we have been separately unlucky with the fitness of Archer, Wood and Stone. Those three plus Tongue, who was unlucky not to play more than a single test in this series, are the type of bowlers who could get some joy on Australian decks. Throw in Broad for a final Ashes tour if only so he can keep getting Warmer out 

Not a fucking chance Warner will still be in the side by the next Ashes. Agree about the quicks. The strategy should be around as many as possible being available next time round. Although I reckon Archer will probably concentrate on white ball cricket if he ever gets back to playing regularly 

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1 hour ago, Alex said:

Although I reckon Archer will probably concentrate on white ball cricket if he ever gets back to playing regularly 

I agree.  Can't see him standing up to test cricket, although Cummings had signficant injury issues when he first came onto the scene and came back many years later to be the second best bowler in the world in the ICC rankings.

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You would hope it shuts that twat Morgan up though. Getting enough shit already about whinging Poms. 

There seems to be a push for reserve days which is ridiculous. The number of times I have prayed for rain. 🙂 

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22 minutes ago, RobinRobin said:

You would hope it shuts that twat Morgan up though. Getting enough shit already about whinging Poms. 

There seems to be a push for reserve days which is ridiculous. The number of times I have prayed for rain. 🙂 

I don't have any desire for "reserve days", but I would say the arbitrary cut off at 1800 if all the overs haven't been bowled and the light is OK is bollocks.

 

Should play until overs are done, or light is shit, with a later cut off of something like 2000

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