Renton 21904 Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 1 minute ago, Dr Gloom said: russia is run by an unstable madman who is intent on restoring his country to pre-soviet imperial greatness. he's a nutter. there is no rational thought behind it. i'm personally looking forward to the stop the war demo in front of the russian embassy this morning. corbyn's peace and justice movement was as of monday still calling on the us and the uk to stop warmongering. you couldn't make it up. The extremes on both sides of politics are Russian supporters or appeasers. Either scum by design or naïve useful idiots. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17542 Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 10 minutes ago, Toonpack said: Disagree mate, Europe is basically funding Putin's expedition in Ukraine because of that pipeline. He turns off the tap he turns off the cash. You'd imagine he'd have accounted for that and built up a mind boggling amount of military hardware. Hes been planning this. He knows Russia will very soon be financially cut off from the rest of the western world. He'll use China to raise funds iyam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken 119 Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: russia is run by an unstable madman who is intent on restoring his country to pre-soviet imperial greatness. he's a nutter. there is no rational thought behind it. i'm personally looking forward to the stop the war demo in front of the russian embassy this morning. corbyn's peace and justice movement was as of monday still calling on the us and the uk to stop warmongering. you couldn't make it up. Putin is not unstable. He knows exactly what he is doing and when to do it. Sociopath and psychopath perhaps but he is a master of chess games in a geopolitical world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30986 Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 17 minutes ago, Ken said: New pipelines take time. They also take a lot of investment. By putting the screws on now would hurt their ability to make that investment. It also isn't going to completely make up for their EU revenues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5262 Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, Renton said: The extremes on both sides of politics are Russian supporters or appeasers. Either scum by design or naïve useful idiots. This is absolutely true, and I say this even while some of my close friends fall into this bracket. Blinded by their hatred of US politics, they can't see what they're supporting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30986 Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 6 minutes ago, Renton said: The similarities are remarkable. Not just Johnson either, Trump, Orban, Erdogan, Bolsonaro, Jinping. Pathetic popularist shit bags ruining the World. It's time for a matriarchy to sort this mess out. I bet that right now Germany are wishing their former matriarch hadn't decided to switch off their nuclear plants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30986 Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 This is what the markets think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21904 Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 9 minutes ago, ewerk said: I bet that right now Germany are wishing their former matriarch hadn't decided to switch off their nuclear plants. I always want to think of the Germans as rational, scientific people, as witnessed by their car industry. But it's not true. To close down nuclear power after Fukishima and make themselves dependent on Russia was frankly insane. Their anti-GM food agenda also is nonsensical, and was one of the things I really didn't agree with the EU on. Also Germans are prone to believing in all sorts of woo, homeopathy, anti-vax, the occult, you name it. And they have a worse cuisine than us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17542 Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 27 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: russia is run by an unstable madman who is intent on restoring his country to pre-soviet imperial greatness. he's a nutter. there is no rational thought behind it. i'm personally looking forward to the stop the war demo in front of the russian embassy this morning. corbyn's peace and justice movement was as of monday still calling on the us and the uk to stop warmongering. you couldn't make it up. Corbyn. This morning. Is there a chance that he's not that relevant in the big scheme of things today?... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 20565 Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 21 minutes ago, ewerk said: This is what the markets think. Buy!!!!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15674 Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Someone will be winning, one way or another 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17542 Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 9707 Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 https://twitter.com/Andrew__Roth/status/1496790129746190336?s=20&t=kau_UqpzvgFTbc12XgCN6A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobos 298 Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 (edited) Scary times, we have had the worst leaders during the worst time. We needed an entirely different response to the annex of the Crimea. Putin openly demanding that NATO stops expanding due to his strongly held belief that the "promise" was made on formation to not expand as far as it has already. Never seriously addressed any of this demands , so now we get the same, but with bloodshed and potentially Russian troops right up to the NATO border, which I hope I'm wrong with. Sanctions will do nothing, it'll be planned in and we all know that they have the capability to completely disable the IT systems we rely on for finance. I read somewhere that Russia is self sufficient for its needs , about 5 years ago. Positive hope (if there is one) is that he will take his troops up to the NATO border and stop there. I believe that all this "Boris and Biden warned" is complete and utter horseshit - we knew back in November what was happening , it was a show of strength from Putin to say "listen to me, I will take by force if needed". Sanctions were needed a long time ago - and as much as they've proven their intent and twisted world view - you can't have diplomacy if you don't listen, no matter how much you disagree. I never thought he'd actually attack all the way to Ukraine , and Russia are entirely responsible for it - but did the name calling really help, that's been happening over the past 2 weeks - some of us have definitely helped escalate this. Gutted 😕 Edited February 24, 2022 by scoobos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken 119 Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 The Russians have cut the country in half, from the north and the south and have prevented the baulk of the Ukranian army who are in the east from going anywhere. Doesn't look good and we will probably see huge casualties in the coming days 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21904 Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 6 minutes ago, scoobos said: some of us have definitely helped escalate this You're think of @Rayvin here, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobos 298 Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 I think they'll surrender pretty quickly - I hope so, as resistance truly is futile at this point. I feel sick, if only cos I watch too much news and have felt since November last year that I'm in that BBC TV programme - Threads , with the build up on the internet, but nothing on our news. Then listening to Biden sabre rattle when Putin's showed his hand. 2 months ago, I remember reading that the only reason the invasion hasn't started is because the tanks need colder weather and cannot cross the mud. Scares me that we think we can do anything when we've got 60,000 troops total and decided that Tanks are not part of "modern warfare" . If we start seeing DDOS attacks against our financial systems, then we better keep our fingers crossed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 42842 Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 1 minute ago, Renton said: You're think of @Rayvin here, right? Imagine Putin browsing General Chat on here. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14013 Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Tbh we’ve had worse 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21904 Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Putin really is a piece of work. If Ukraine really is so closely tied with Russia (it is), then why is he killing them? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17542 Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Its like England invading Scotland 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35475 Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 1 hour ago, PaddockLad said: You'd imagine he'd have accounted for that and built up a mind boggling amount of military hardware. Hes been planning this. He knows Russia will very soon be financially cut off from the rest of the western world. He'll use China to raise funds iyam. And India Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14013 Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 “Some 20% of Russians have relatives in Ukraine I imagine the reverse is also true” Yes. That’s how relatives work 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30986 Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 1 minute ago, Tom said: “Some 20% of Russians have relatives in Ukraine I imagine the reverse is also true” Yes. That’s how relatives work Not necessarily on a 1:1 ratio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17542 Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 (edited) 44 minutes ago, scoobos said: Scary times, we have had the worst leaders during the worst time. We needed an entirely different response to the annex of the Crimea. Putin openly demanding that NATO stops expanding due to his strongly held belief that the "promise" was made on formation to not expand as far as it has already. Never seriously addressed any of this demands , so now we get the same, but with bloodshed and potentially Russian troops right up to the NATO border, which I hope I'm wrong with. Sanctions will do nothing, it'll be planned in and we all know that they have the capability to completely disable the IT systems we rely on for finance. I read somewhere that Russia is self sufficient for its needs , about 5 years ago. Positive hope (if there is one) is that he will take his troops up to the NATO border and stop there. I believe that all this "Boris and Biden warned" is complete and utter horseshit - we knew back in November what was happening , it was a show of strength from Putin to say "listen to me, I will take by force if needed". Sanctions were needed a long time ago - and as much as they've proven their intent and twisted world view - you can't have diplomacy if you don't listen, no matter how much you disagree. I never thought he'd actually attack all the way to Ukraine , and Russia are entirely responsible for it - but did the name calling really help, that's been happening over the past 2 weeks - some of us have definitely helped escalate this. Gutted 😕 So we've to be happy if he stops at the border of the Baltic states, Poland & Romania? That's just more of the same tbh. Sorry but he needs to be physically stopped. NATO need to mobilise. UK service men and women will die. Hes got to be stopped. We also need to make plans to assassinate him. We have to provoke/manipulate someone in his inner circle to do it. Edited February 24, 2022 by PaddockLad 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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