Kid Dynamite 5939 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 I'd love us to announce a new DOF next week, with a footnote to thank Ashworth for his time at the club and that he will be free to move on once his contract is up in 2026 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 14626 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 23 minutes ago, spongebob toonpants said: I've never trusted Ashworth, seems like a right fucking weasel https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/sep/23/fa-dan-ashworth-mark-sampson Fuckin hell man but still.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34607 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 @Howmanheyman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 16729 Posted February 19 Author Share Posted February 19 2 hours ago, Gemmill said: WHEN Manchester United needed a new defender, they quite happily paid Leicester City £80m to sign Harry Maguire. A midfielder? Why not spend £82m to prise Antony from Ajax? A new centre-forward? Here’s £75m to sign Romelu Lukaku from Everton. And that was back in 2017. None of the above helped address the long-term malaise that has set in at Old Trafford over the last decade or so, so rather than blow the budget on yet another big-name player, Sir Jim Ratcliffe has sensibly decided that his first move as part-owner of Manchester United should be the acquisition of a world-class sporting director capable of overhauling the club’s entire transfer policy. If he’s deemed to be that important, though, it’s surely only logical that Ratcliffe will have to pay top dollar to get him. If an error-prone centre-half is priced at £80m, what is the value of someone who can ensure that similar sums are not wasted in the future? Twice that? Four times as much? That’s not the sporting world we live in, but it makes the point. All of which brings us to Dan Ashworth, and the current stand-off between Newcastle United and Manchester United over the former’s sporting director. Manchester United want Ashworth to be the driving force behind the INEOS-led restructuring of the club’s recruitment operation. Ashworth wants to be allowed to swap St James’ Park for Old Trafford. So far, so simple. But, understandably, Newcastle’s executive team do not really want to lose the figure they entrusted to lead their own rebuilding project. And if he is to go, they want to ensure they are properly compensated for the inconvenience of having to recruit a second new sporting director in the space of two years, not to mention the possible damage caused by the departure of someone with detailed knowledge of the club’s transfer policy to a leading rival. Newcastle are understood to be demanding compensation of more than £20m, but the initial indication is that Manchester United’s new owners regard that as much too high. Really? Is upwards of £20m too much to pay for someone who is being appointed in the hope of completely transforming the way an entire club operates? Pay £100m for a striker, and you might get a few goals over the course of the next couple of years. Appoint a world-class sporting director – and for all that his record at Newcastle is chequered, with major question marks hanging over the summer signings of Sandro Tonali and Lewis Hall, that is how Ashworth is regarded within Premier League circles – and you have the potential to supercharge your club’s fortunes for decades. Newcastle are right to dig their heels in over Ashworth, not least because a large compensation fee potentially has major repercussions when it comes to the club’s ongoing attempts to stay on the right side of the Premier League’s profit and sustainability rules. If Newcastle receive more than £20m for their sporting director – the vast majority of which will be entered as profit on the P&S balance sheet – it potentially negates the need to sell a big-name player in order to fund purchases this summer. Allow Ashworth to leave for £5m, and you might be waving goodbye to Bruno Guimaraes at the end of the season. Bank £25m instead, and you might be able to sign a new striker while still keeping the Brazilian midfielder on the books. And who are one of the clubs consistently championing the current FFP rules, largely because it enables them to retain their own privileged position as one of the Premier League’s biggest spenders? Manchester United, of course, desperate to keep upstarts like Newcastle in their box while they continue to outspend pretty much every team in the league even though they have not really challenged for the title since the days of Sir Alex Ferguson. Having made a set of rules that encourage clubs to hold out for the maximum possible fee for anyone that leaves them while under contract, it is disingenuous of Manchester United to start wailing and moaning just because they are having to live by them. One more figure to throw into the mix. £14.5m. That is the sum, comprised of a loan fee and a Premier League survival bonus, that Manchester United were demanding when Newcastle wanted to sign Jesse Lingard on loan for the final four months of the 2022-23 season. £14.5m for four months of football from a fringe winger who left Manchester United as a free agent five months after Newcastle were quoted that figure, and who is now plying his trade in the South Korean league with FC Seoul. That was an outrageous attempt to overinflate the value of an employee who was wanted by a Premier League rival. Newcastle’s demands for more than £20m for Ashworth are anything but. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammynb 2929 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 54 minutes ago, Gemmill said: @Howmanheyman Fuck me, does Peter Graves actually get paid to talk about shite he obviously knows nowt about? The world is clearly broken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12461 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 Another of example of a bloke who gets paid money to talk about things he knows nothing about. 7 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 16729 Posted February 19 Author Share Posted February 19 Fucking doped duck lipped nonce 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 8876 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 10 minutes ago, Howay said: Another of example of a bloke who gets paid money to talk about things he knows nothing about. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongebob toonpants 3606 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 1 hour ago, PaddockLad said: Fuckin hell man but still.. Oh yeah, pure hindsight. Was perfectly happy with him til last week 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aimaad22 3472 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 (edited) 4 hours ago, Howay said: Agree fully with Gemmill that the way Man U have conducted themselves is a fucking disgrace. You’re dealing with a club you’ve had history big timing (see the Lingard deal) so how is the right approach to act like there’s a new party to the relationship to approach only the director himself, along with leaking the approach through limpets like Romano and Ornstein? NUFC still haven’t been approached for their employee, and it’s at the point where his position is completely untenable, yet the press and Man U fans are expecting us “to be reasonable” . In complete contrast when we made our approach for Ashworth we went to Brighton, dealt with them and accepted their terms. I can see a lot of disgust from our side just from Howe’s responses to the situation so I can only imagine how people like Al Rummayyan will be receiving this type of treatment. One of the arsehole talksport hosts, no idea what his name is but he had Darren Bent sitting next to him, was having an argument with a fan on why Ashworth should need to go on gardening leave. Was comparing it to player transfers and that they immediately start playing for the new club. Yeah that's a bloody brilliant apples to apples comparison right there, one one hand you have someone who's supposed to be plotting the direction of the club for years and has access to sensitive data and plans that could have implications far into the future. Versus someone who's only literal job is to onto the filed and play. It's like comparing a CEO of a major company moving to a direct competitor with a truck driver doing the same. The fan was a mug too, didnt make any reference to how we dealt with Brighton and the gardening leave he was put on then. Edited February 19 by aimaad22 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 16729 Posted February 19 Author Share Posted February 19 1 minute ago, aimaad22 said: One of the arsehole talksport hosts, no idea what his name is but he had Darren Bent sitting next to him, was having an argument with a fan on why Ashworth should go on gardening leave. Was comparing it to player transfers and that they immediately start playing for the new club. Yeah that's a bloody brilliant apples to apples comparison right there, one one hand you have someone who's supposed to be plotting the direction of the club for years and has access to sensitive data and plans that could have implications far into the future. Versus someone who's only literal job is to onto the filed and play. It's like comparing a CEO of a major company moving to a direct competitor with a truck driver doing the same. The fan was a mug too, didnt make any reference to how we dealt with Brighton and the gardening leave he was put on then. Andy Cuntstein. A Jay from inbetweeners wannabe wide boy fanny. A blind 'united' fan. I used to like him but hes just a bell tbh. Blind to any non top 6 side. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 14626 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 6 minutes ago, spongebob toonpants said: Oh yeah, pure hindsight. Was perfectly happy with him til last week Well I was sort of only joking (did any of us know he was intimately involved in the womens’ coach carry on? I remember the case but not his involvement) What are you specifically pinning on him for this season?… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 6874 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 28 minutes ago, wykikitoon said: Fucking doped duck lipped nonce He smokes quack ? 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 16729 Posted February 19 Author Share Posted February 19 6 minutes ago, Toonpack said: He smokes quack ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 26943 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 2 hours ago, Gemmill said: @Howmanheyman Knows the square root of fuck all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3206 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 Who the fuck listens to football podcasts? You might as well go to any pub and just listen to two drunk blokes talking, I bet it wouldn’t be too much different. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19838 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 5 minutes ago, Kevin Carr's Gloves said: Who the fuck listens to football podcasts? You might as well go to any pub and just listen to two drunk blokes talking, I bet it wouldn’t be too much different. who the fuck posts on football forums? You might as well go to the pub and listen to random blokes talking, I bet it wouldn’t be too much different. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonotl 2431 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 Just now, Dr Gloom said: who the fuck posts on football forums? You might as well go to the pub and listen to random blokes talking, I bet it wouldn’t be too much different. Davey rocking up to the local to have a pimms and discuss football with the lads. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 6434 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 13 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: who the fuck posts on football forums? You might as well go to the pub and listen to random blokes talking, I bet it wouldn’t be too much different. Why trouble yourself with going to the pub when you can just rant into a mirror at home? 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19838 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 Just now, trophyshy said: Why trouble yourself with going to the pub when you can just rant into a mirror at home? some of my best times have been spent staring at a mirror 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3206 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 6 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: some of my best times have been spent staring at a mirror While it was lying on a table? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19838 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 4 minutes ago, Kevin Carr's Gloves said: While it was lying on a table? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 9010 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 29 minutes ago, toonotl said: Davey rocking up to the local to have a pimms and discuss football with the lads. Keep the key talking points as notes on my phone. The agenda is there too. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 5939 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 I love how he's gone from "did a canny job at Brighton" to "best DOF in world football" because Man Utd are after him 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTF 6190 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 6 hours ago, Gemmill said: WHEN Manchester United needed a new defender, they quite happily paid Leicester City £80m to sign Harry Maguire. A midfielder? Why not spend £82m to prise Antony from Ajax? A new centre-forward? Here’s £75m to sign Romelu Lukaku from Everton. And that was back in 2017. None of the above helped address the long-term malaise that has set in at Old Trafford over the last decade or so, so rather than blow the budget on yet another big-name player, Sir Jim Ratcliffe has sensibly decided that his first move as part-owner of Manchester United should be the acquisition of a world-class sporting director capable of overhauling the club’s entire transfer policy. If he’s deemed to be that important, though, it’s surely only logical that Ratcliffe will have to pay top dollar to get him. If an error-prone centre-half is priced at £80m, what is the value of someone who can ensure that similar sums are not wasted in the future? Twice that? Four times as much? That’s not the sporting world we live in, but it makes the point. All of which brings us to Dan Ashworth, and the current stand-off between Newcastle United and Manchester United over the former’s sporting director. Manchester United want Ashworth to be the driving force behind the INEOS-led restructuring of the club’s recruitment operation. Ashworth wants to be allowed to swap St James’ Park for Old Trafford. So far, so simple. But, understandably, Newcastle’s executive team do not really want to lose the figure they entrusted to lead their own rebuilding project. And if he is to go, they want to ensure they are properly compensated for the inconvenience of having to recruit a second new sporting director in the space of two years, not to mention the possible damage caused by the departure of someone with detailed knowledge of the club’s transfer policy to a leading rival. Newcastle are understood to be demanding compensation of more than £20m, but the initial indication is that Manchester United’s new owners regard that as much too high. Really? Is upwards of £20m too much to pay for someone who is being appointed in the hope of completely transforming the way an entire club operates? Pay £100m for a striker, and you might get a few goals over the course of the next couple of years. Appoint a world-class sporting director – and for all that his record at Newcastle is chequered, with major question marks hanging over the summer signings of Sandro Tonali and Lewis Hall, that is how Ashworth is regarded within Premier League circles – and you have the potential to supercharge your club’s fortunes for decades. Newcastle are right to dig their heels in over Ashworth, not least because a large compensation fee potentially has major repercussions when it comes to the club’s ongoing attempts to stay on the right side of the Premier League’s profit and sustainability rules. If Newcastle receive more than £20m for their sporting director – the vast majority of which will be entered as profit on the P&S balance sheet – it potentially negates the need to sell a big-name player in order to fund purchases this summer. Allow Ashworth to leave for £5m, and you might be waving goodbye to Bruno Guimaraes at the end of the season. Bank £25m instead, and you might be able to sign a new striker while still keeping the Brazilian midfielder on the books. And who are one of the clubs consistently championing the current FFP rules, largely because it enables them to retain their own privileged position as one of the Premier League’s biggest spenders? Manchester United, of course, desperate to keep upstarts like Newcastle in their box while they continue to outspend pretty much every team in the league even though they have not really challenged for the title since the days of Sir Alex Ferguson. Having made a set of rules that encourage clubs to hold out for the maximum possible fee for anyone that leaves them while under contract, it is disingenuous of Manchester United to start wailing and moaning just because they are having to live by them. One more figure to throw into the mix. £14.5m. That is the sum, comprised of a loan fee and a Premier League survival bonus, that Manchester United were demanding when Newcastle wanted to sign Jesse Lingard on loan for the final four months of the 2022-23 season. £14.5m for four months of football from a fringe winger who left Manchester United as a free agent five months after Newcastle were quoted that figure, and who is now plying his trade in the South Korean league with FC Seoul. That was an outrageous attempt to overinflate the value of an employee who was wanted by a Premier League rival. Newcastle’s demands for more than £20m for Ashworth are anything but. Into them Scott 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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