Renton 17818 Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 The specs aren't better at all Chez, it's generous calling them equal. I understand IoS6 is backwardly compatible to the 3GS. How then is the iPhone5 fully utilising it's hardware? I'm getting my first non iPhone smartphone next week, I'll try and give you an honest appraisal of the pros and cons of you like, but it is probably down to spending power and preference at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 Are you going for the Galxy SIII Renton? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17818 Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 No, I prefer the One X tbh because of the screen and build. I don't need more than 32 gigs of memory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 Make sure you learn about rooting and Custom ROMs. Essential stuff for any Android phone iyam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4224 Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 Reception with 3 is canny shit on loads of places though. Also, when 4g comes out will 3 become 4? whens the last time you checked that out? Ive been all over the place over the last 2 years with three and its been fine, the shit signal thing seems to be a long standing reputation from their early days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34586 Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 It's just a matter of personal preference at the end of the day. I'm certain that the iPhone is slower than my S2, and that I get a better browsing experience on it compared to when I use the wife's iPhone. And the weight of the iPhone is just silly, although the build quality is much better than the S2. Having said that, I was canny annoyed earlier in the year when it was taking forever for Samsung to update my phone to the latest OS, and if you'd asked me at the time, my next phone was gonna be an iPhone because of that issue (and still might be). There is still stuff on ios 6 though where I'm looking at it and just thinking "I can already do this". Apple seem to get away with it because they have this captive audience of people that think Apple is the be all and end all, and these people are just unaware that these improvements are ONLY new to iPhone. Moving to iPhone from Android I honestly think will feel like a sideways move at best, whereas you could move to Android and legitimately feel like you've made a bit of a step forward. The one big exception to all of that is the iPod functionality. Nothing on Android comes close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34586 Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 Make sure you learn about rooting and Custom ROMs. Essential stuff for any Android phone iyam. Really? I haven't bothered to do this with my S2. What are the advantages? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34586 Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 No, I prefer the One X tbh because of the screen and build. I don't need more than 32 gigs of memory. HTC phones are much better built than Samsung IMO. Honestly when my S2 arrived, I thought it felt like a flimsy piece of shit compared to my Desire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 Click on the link and look at the figures, this is the world's most valuable company for a reason. Who is the competition? Who is going to knock them off their financial perch and innovate them out of the market? Google? http://www.forbes.co...indows-phone-8/ Are you sure about that? It was unimaginable that anyone could have knocked Microsoft from their perch in the late 90s. Not being able to predict the future doesn't lose an argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 Really? I haven't bothered to do this with my S2. What are the advantages? The one I'm using just gets rid of all of the O2 clutter that has came with it, has a Jellybean look to it etc. There's loads out there on the XDA Developers forums, but the one I'm using is called Neat Rom Lite http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1569686 and my phone is certainly smoother and the battery seems to be better since using that one. Also I think Jellybean might be out for the S2 around November time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 Google Now looks canny for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34586 Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 I might give that a blast then. Have you got a guide for it at all, cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 It was unimaginable that anyone could have knocked Microsoft from their perch in the late 90s. Not being able to predict the future doesn't lose an argument. Well if you prefer not to be analytical about it, then you can make that argument. Its not an argument you'll see in any of the major analysts reports. Renton was saying that Apple have stagnated and the iOS reflects this, the fact of the matter is that iOS proliferates more freely and rapidly across the ecosystem ensuring all hardware owners can access the latest features when they want, not when the hardware manufacturer allows them. The Forbes article shows that Google's position in this game is fragile, if Samsung move to Microsoft then whither Google? Apple's ability to monetise the user experience through apps, media and subscriptions for themselves and their ecosystem gives them a business strength far in excess of their market position in the mobile market. What the share price is telling you is that despite having seen Microsoft, the dot com boom, the terrible facebook IPO etc, the bottom line is that Apple is primed for the future as a business. I dont really care if the new iPhone is better than the S3 or not tbh (its interesting but not that interesting), i am convinced that the company is better set for the future than Google. Anyone who thinks this is about Apple vs Other manufacturers, doesnt get it. Its Apple v Google and has been for quite some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17818 Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 So, out of interest, there's no danger of complacency here and Jobs won't be missed? I'm getting déjà vu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Happy Face 29 Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 Every great magic trick consists of three parts or acts. The first part is called “The Pledge”. The magician shows you something ordinary: a deck of cards, a bird or a man. He shows you this object. Perhaps he asks you to inspect it to see if it is indeed real, unaltered, normal. But of course…it probably isn’t. The second act is called “The Turn”. The magician takes the ordinary something and makes it do something extraordinary. Now you’re looking for the secret… but you won’t find it, because of course you’re not really looking. You don’t really want to know. You want to be fooled. But you wouldn’t clap yet. Because making something disappear isn’t enough; you have to bring it back. That’s why every magic trick has a third act, the hardest part, the part we call “The Prestige”. This is what was on my mind following today’s Apple event. It’s essentially the story of the iPhone. Apple took something ordinary, a phone, did some extraordinary things to it, and then made it re-appear in grandiose fashion. It’s a great trick. It’s so good, in fact, that I think it’s fair to call it true magic. The problem, if you want to call it that, is that Apple has now been doing this trick since 2007. Granted, they have other solid tricks too (they are far from the one-trick-pony claims that several of their competitors face). But the iPhone is the best trick in their bag. And in the last few years, some people have gotten sick of seeing it. But it’s important to remember that just because you’ve seen a show before, it doesn’t actually make it any less magical. It’s a perception issue. Yes, that’s also Apple’s problem — if they wish to entertain. But the reality is that the entertainment value of these events is just icing on the cake. It also probably doesn’t help the current Apple regime that Steve Jobs was especially good at pulling off “The Prestige” part. But the true core of the company with regard to the iPhone has always been about “The Turn.” And I think that was more clear than ever today. Look at the main video being displayed on Apple’s homepage. It’s several Apple executives talking about just what went into pulling off turning the ordinary smartphone into something extraordinary. Yes, again. To some, this repetition is now boring. But I think Apple looks at it the opposite way: they’re perfecting their trick. Look at the mobile landscape right now. There are two companies that are making any money in smartphones: Apple and Samsung. Or, put another way: Apple and the company Apple just won a billion dollar-plus judgement against for copying their smartphone designs. So while some may find Apple’s trick old hat now, no one else has figured out how to pull it off — except for the company doing a mediocre copy of the trick. I’d argue it’s because everyone is focusing on The Pledge and The Prestige, but Apple is the only one focusing on The Turn. They’re the only ones photographing their assembly process with 29 megapixel cameras to ensure that a machine picks the exact inlet from 725 unique cuts. They’re the only ones who spend three years working on earphones. They’re the only ones who would go out of their way to try to re-design a device to look and act similar even though the bulk of it has largely changed. That’s the thing — when people say they’re disappointed about the new iPhone, what they’re really saying is that they’re disappointed it doesn’t look that much different from previous version(s). But again, not only is that true, Apple went out of their way to make sure that was the case. Just listen to Jony Ive in the very beginning of the video: When you think about your iPhone, it’s probably the object that you use most in your life. It’s the product that you have with you all the time. With this unique relationship that people have with their iPhone, we take changing it really seriously. We don’t just want to make a new phone. We want to make a much better phone. Apple is not and will not change things just for the sake of change. And while some may now be clamoring for this change, the paradox is that if Apple did make some big changes, many of the same people would bitch and moan about them. Apple is smart enough to know that in this case, most people don’t really want change, they just think that they do because that’s the easiest way to perceive value: visual newness. Apple’s focus remains on The Turn, the process by which they make the ordinary extraordinary. But even with a masterful Prestige, it’s hard to convey that commitment. That is, until you walk into an Apple Store and pick up the product. While it lacks the pomp and circumstance of a Prestige on stage at some big event, this interaction is much more intimate, and as such, much more powerful. You may not perceive it directly, but the care and craft of The Turn percolates through your hands and eyes. Within minutes or even seconds, you just know this is something different. Something far beyond what others are doing with their false magic. You want this. You need this. That’s why Apple is now the most valuable company in the world. And that’s why you will buy an iPhone 5. And an iPhone 6. And beyond. You’re upset about The Prestige, or the lack thereof. But it’s all about The Turn. http://m.techcrunch.com/2012/09/13/the-iphone-5-event/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17818 Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 Last paragraph. I' m not buying it. I know loads of Others who aren't either. This is complacency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEADMAN 0 Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 wouldnt bother with apples any way there shit there for over hyped noobs in my eyes there just a premium rip off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 9006 Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 wouldnt bother with apples any way there shit there for over hyped noobs in my eyes there just a premium rip off everything is a rip off DEADMAN, everything. There are no "good deals". except Xbox Live. that's a bargain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 5936 Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 It seems to have gone largely unreported, but in the whole Apple vs Samsung case it was proved that Apple design their phones 3 or 4 years in advance of their release. Not quite as cutting edge as they would lead us to believe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 5936 Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 For example. Heres the 2010 iPhone 4, in 2006. Nice to see its a complete rip off of a Sony device too. http://www.buzzfeed.com/mattbuchanan/the-original-iphone-4-design-prototype-from-2006?s=mobile Heres a 2002 iPad design. 8 years before it was released! http://www.buzzfeed.com/mattbuchanan/the-original-ipad-was-gigantic?s=mobile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 They had warp drives on Star Trek in the 1960s too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4224 Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 You know the thing about all this design stuff, how long in advance it's done, how cutting edge etc? I really don't give a shit. I'll just get the phone I want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 5936 Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Its more in response to 87 pages of Apple circle jerking. iPhones are good, yes. The only reason they release a marginally new one every year however is $$$. The folks who are buying themselves out of their iPhone 4 contracts to get the 5 arent getting a fantastically better phone ala PS1>PS2>PS3. In fact, compare the 3,3gs,4,4s and 5 and they are essentially the same phone bar a chip/resolution upgrade. Is it worth a 50% premium over a galaxy s3? Is it fuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 9006 Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 (edited) the fucking panic people get into, over other people liking apple products. What?! You're buying a MAZDA! There so over priced, look at all this research I've done proving that the first Mazda is kind of similar to a carthorse. You must realise the error of your ways and buy a different type of phone otherwise you're being duped! We're all being duped, it's a world wide plot to raise the prices so we the consumer are indebted to the major corporations and they can bind us to indentured servitude in their now vast legions. Edit I may be spending too much time having fun with wolfy Edited September 16, 2012 by The Fish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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