RedfernMag 0 Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Christmas Tree , on 04 Aug 2015 - 9:03 PM, said: In what way could it have been delivered? Would you like to "broaden" your view on how they could have delivered staying in the Euro and less austerity? It could of been delivered by telling the Troika to fuck off from day one. Obviously that was never going to happen as Syriza are not an anti-austerity party, they are reformists. The irony is that the proposals put forward by both Syriza and the Troika, which led to all the disagreements, which then led to a referendum, only differed on a few things (debt restructuring and the timing of certain pensions being the main ones). The two proposals were pretty much the same thing, and both pro-austerity. As for broadening what I think all this means, for your benefit, I have a feeling I would be better off cleaning my bell-end with a cheese grater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Christmas Tree 3997 Posted August 4, 2015 Author Share Posted August 4, 2015 It could of been delivered by telling the Troika to fuck off from day one. Obviously that was never going to happen So pleased you broadened the debate. I suggest you read up on what they promised the electorate to get elected. All sorts of sweeteners and gimmicks that was based on fantasy. Everything from free electricity, Christmas bonuses for pensioners, raising of wages, raising welfare, subsidies for business etc etc. The fact that an austerity weary public swallowed the bullshit doesn't mean democracy is damaged, it simply means they were sold a turd. Like the grating of your bell-end, Syriza promises disappeared nearly as quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3206 Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 It could of been delivered by telling the Troika to fuck off from day one. Obviously that was never going to happen as Syriza are not an anti-austerity party, they are reformists. The irony is that the proposals put forward by both Syriza and the Troika, which led to all the disagreements, which then led to a referendum, only differed on a few things (debt restructuring and the timing of certain pensions being the main ones). The two proposals were pretty much the same thing, and both pro-austerity. As for broadening what I think all this means, for your benefit, I have a feeling I would be better off cleaning my bell-end with a cheese grater. Could have, not could of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 38798 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Here you go, boys. SFW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedfernMag 0 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Could have, not could of. I was never very good at English. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedfernMag 0 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 So pleased you broadened the debate. I suggest you read up on what they promised the electorate to get elected. All sorts of sweeteners and gimmicks that was based on fantasy. Everything from free electricity, Christmas bonuses for pensioners, raising of wages, raising welfare, subsidies for business etc etc. The fact that an austerity weary public swallowed the bullshit doesn't mean democracy is damaged, it simply means they were sold a turd. Like the grating of your bell-end, Syriza promises disappeared nearly as quickly. What is the point of broadening the debate with someone who equates a proposal to halt the privatisation of the Greek IPTO with giving everyone free electricity? I'd be better off spending the time soaping my balls with French lacquer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 14060 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 You're really starting to challenge Fist's Google image search skills here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonotl 2431 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Picture of Fist's nuts incoming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30446 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Me mate's dad (now deceased) used to be in the Navy. The only subjects they couldn't discuss at meal times were politics and religion as they were the two guaranteed to cause fights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted August 5, 2015 Author Share Posted August 5, 2015 are there any topics in Toontastic that are fight free? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 38798 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 You're really starting to challenge Fist's Google image search skills here.Challenge accepted. SFW ( ish) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 14060 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 are there any topics in Toontastic that are fight free? If we're excluding threads where you turn up, then yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 The extra 2 million in work? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10604117 The elderly given a decent pension? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/pensions/10379435/State-pension-to-rise-by-2.97-a-week-but-cost-of-living-still-high.html Council tax frozen for all? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3155097/Fears-mount-council-tax-soar-Osborne-quietly-drops-2-cap-Hated-local-charge-rise-April.html Extra child care for families? http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/budget-2015-child-tax-credits-6026481 Millions given a tax cut? http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/10/01/david-cameron-tax-pledges-graphs_n_5912072.html Millions taken out of paying tax all together? http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/10/01/david-cameron-tax-pledges-graphs_n_5912072.html Millions more apprenticeships? http://feweek.co.uk/2011/10/27/government-figures-show-adult-apprenticeships-more-than-tripled/ No illegal wars? http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jul/17/david-cameron-knew-uk-pilots-were-bombing-isis-in-syria Aye As much as I hate to join any debate CT is involved in, and he whacked in the obligatory safety wink, I saw this the other day and wanted to provide responses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted August 5, 2015 Author Share Posted August 5, 2015 Dear me, the first one I clicked on, council tax, says it might rise. What's that go to do with the fact that it's been frozen for 5 years It also virtually doubled under Labour . Don't worry, it's pub night so done debating > < Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strawb 3660 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 When I was a kid my dad said something about arguing with certain people, something about dragging down and levels and experience and that. Can't remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 14060 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 He said CT was a cunt, if that helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Dear me, the first one I clicked on, council tax, says it might rise. What's that go to do with the fact that it's been frozen for 5 years It also virtually doubled under Labour . Don't worry, it's pub night so done debating > < No it says it HAS risen... The average level of council tax in England this financial year is £1,484 for a Band D property, a rise of £16 on last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30446 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 The first link he clicked on he didn't bother reading properly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34593 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 He's a professional weapon. CT, this is exactly what I said you would do if I tried to engage with you on Greece yesterday. Skim read, dismiss out of hand, post smilies. That's all you're here to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 12767 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 I bet if the articles were about Goodfellas Pizzas going up in price, he'd read them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34593 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Or Uber sticking a banana in his tailpipe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted August 5, 2015 Author Share Posted August 5, 2015 No it says it HAS risen... Council tax has been frozen for the last 5 years. The freeze meant that no council could raise the tax by more than 2% unless they held a referendum. South Tyneside council (where I live) has not raised it in 5 years, as has the majority of councils. I know you like to try and win an argument, but claiming there hasn't been a freeze for the last 5 years is plain stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 So councils had the power to raise council tax by up to 2% a year without a referendum and 40% of councils did so. I've not claimed there hasn't been a freeze. I've provided some context as to why the "freeze" was more of a desire than an achievement. It's not kept council tax rates nationwide the same as they were 5 years back. I'm in favour of more taxes myself, so I don't see why you portray a freeze as a good thing, not even wanting a rise in line with inflation, while councils are being forced to close libraries and that all over the shop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 14620 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Anyone remember reading this when it was posted last year? CT?... http://www.theguardian.com/news/2014/nov/24/-sp-is-saving-newcastle-mission-impossible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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