Craig 6307 Posted April 29, 2012 Share Posted April 29, 2012 Apparently we've now conceded more goals away from home this season than we did during the relegation season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4224 Posted April 29, 2012 Share Posted April 29, 2012 You're kidding? That's actually unbelievable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6307 Posted April 29, 2012 Share Posted April 29, 2012 Nope. We let in 30 goals on our travels in 2008/09. Di Santo's goal yesterday was the 31st we'd conceded away from home in 2011/12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4224 Posted April 29, 2012 Share Posted April 29, 2012 Bloody hell. I still don't believe that berk scored a goal like that. Seems to happen to us all the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JawD 31 Posted April 29, 2012 Share Posted April 29, 2012 To think at the start of the season our defence was one of the best in the league. It cant all be down to Steve Taylor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6307 Posted April 29, 2012 Share Posted April 29, 2012 Stats like this does make you sit back and think, doesn't it? Several times this season I've said we've finally got a solid defence to be proud of yet we're still conceeding more goals than ever on paper! Taking stock, I think Krul has been a surprisingly brilliant long term replacement for Given. Let's be honest, not many thought we'd find someone as good as Shay so quickly. Coloccini has been nothing short of brilliant this season and fully deserving of his place on the PFA team of the year. But the rest of the defence is massively under scrutiny IMO. Sure there's been highlights - Simpson's goal-line clearances and Ryan Taylor's goals but one (or a couple) swallow doesn't make a summer. They're admirable squad players, but going forward we need better full-backs and a centre-back to compliment Colo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monroe Transfer 0 Posted April 29, 2012 Share Posted April 29, 2012 Like I said in another thread though, the thing is that we're conceding lots of (away) goals in relatively few fixtures. As opposed to lots of goals spread out over plenty of games which would obviously be worse. So with that in mind, things aren't as bad as they appear perhaps. It's very strange though, if we lose it has to be an annihilation by the winning team. Arsenal may have only beaten us 2-1 but they annihilated us everywhere but on the scoresheet. West Brom is the only loss where we've actually been unlucky or whatever. That said we were more than in the game against Fulham up until half-time in the reverse fixture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monroe Transfer 0 Posted April 29, 2012 Share Posted April 29, 2012 3 matches account for almost half of that total Craig posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lake Bells tits 1 Posted April 29, 2012 Share Posted April 29, 2012 To me it looks like the defence just cant cope with teams who play it past our midfield. When we face a team playing it a bit wide from side to side, the midfield takes quite abit of the edge off with cabaye jonas and tiote doing a bit of legwork and grafting. When teams decide to run past them however, they are instantly challenging our backline and we just cant cope with it. Whether its down to actual lack of skill or its just a confidence thing, I dont know - but we look in absolute shambles when it happends. The mildy worrying truth is that the defence doesnt seem comfortable on its own, they only seem to cope when they either have the midfield drop deep to protect them or take the battle further up-pitch. Makes you think how an "off-day" in a european competition would pan out, instead of 1 goal you concede 4-5.... I hope we adress this somehow because I cant see Athletico madrid/bilbao hanging around the midfield just to be nice - they will attack us the same way wigan did and with far better players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lake Bells tits 1 Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 http://www.dailystar.co.uk/posts/view/248517 The headline is a bit of a laugh but makes for decent reading. He is spot on about the defense issues too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6307 Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 (edited) Like I said in another thread though, the thing is that we're conceding lots of (away) goals in relatively few fixtures. As opposed to lots of goals spread out over plenty of games which would obviously be worse. So with that in mind, things aren't as bad as they appear perhaps. It's very strange though, if we lose it has to be an annihilation by the winning team. Arsenal may have only beaten us 2-1 but they annihilated us everywhere but on the scoresheet. West Brom is the only loss where we've actually been unlucky or whatever. That said we were more than in the game against Fulham up until half-time in the reverse fixture. Our goal difference in comparison to those around us says otherwise. Edited April 30, 2012 by Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lake Bells tits 1 Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 (edited) I dont know if I agree with that sentiment Monroe. I think its slightly worrying that when we lose, we lose by a cricket score like, it doesnt bode well for europe. We still havent come back from 1-0 down under pardew, Its just a random fact but still. We have been twatted on several occations this season, I dont know if its down to the players or pardew - but what we need to work on is more consistent performances. The first step into becoming a better team ( I wont write top because realistically we should aim for "best of the rest") would be to try to stabilize the performances. You rarely see the best team randomly getting beaten 4-0 or 5-0 by average midtable or bottom teams, it just doesnt happen. Edited April 30, 2012 by Lake Bells tits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenL 0 Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 I dont know if I agree with that sentiment Monroe. I think its slightly worrying that when we lose, we lose by a cricket score like, it doesnt bode well for europe. We still havent come back from 1-0 down under pardew, Its just a random fact but still. We have been twatted on several occations this season, I dont know if its down to the players or pardew - but what we need to work on is more consistent performances. The first step into becoming a better team ( I wont write top because realistically we should aim for "best of the rest") would be to try to stabilize the performances. You rarely see the best team randomly getting beaten 4-0 or 5-0 by average midtable or bottom teams, it just doesnt happen. No it's not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADP 0 Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 excuse my ignorance if so... but is from BBC Look North presenter Jeff Brown outed as a mackem? His crack on the football roundup reeks of the bitterness of the unwashed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 5936 Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 To think at the start of the season our defence was one of the best in the league. It cant all be down to Steve Taylor I wouldn't dismiss it. He looked like a rock. Williamson is absolutely hopeless. I'd genuinely start perch ahead of him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lake Bells tits 1 Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 I agree with the gimp over me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JawD 31 Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 I wouldn't dismiss it. He looked like a rock. Williamson is absolutely hopeless. I'd genuinely start perch ahead of him Well, ST is prone to errors (and getting shot on the line!). But I agree not as many as Williamson. Ideally we bring in a centre half and have them push colo and ST for a start. We know ST misses part of near every season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 5936 Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 A few thoughts from the day - David Moyes really does deserve a crack at a bigger club. Since 2002, and with spending a fraction of what some clubs have spent, he's managed to finish (in no particular order) 4th, 5th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 7th, 7th and 8th amongst others. - The club shop at St James is a lot better than it used to be. Just been in and they have a massive selection of foreign shirts. France, Senegal and Ivory Coast National shirts and a variety of club shirts from Europe and South America. Their footie boot selection isn't too shabby either. - Now that it looks like we won't be finishing 4th I really hope Chelsea win the Champions League just to shit on Harry's parade a little bit more - Just been watching the tekkers/skill clips section on Soccer AM. NUFC were on about 4 times. We really have one of the most skillful squads I can remember. Ben Arfa, Cisse, Ba, Cabaye etc. Some of their touches/finishes are up there with the best I've seen in my lifetime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio 0 Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 Like I said in another thread though, the thing is that we're conceding lots of (away) goals in relatively few fixtures. As opposed to lots of goals spread out over plenty of games which would obviously be worse. So with that in mind, things aren't as bad as they appear perhaps. It's very strange though, if we lose it has to be an annihilation by the winning team. Arsenal may have only beaten us 2-1 but they annihilated us everywhere but on the scoresheet. West Brom is the only loss where we've actually been unlucky or whatever. That said we were more than in the game against Fulham up until half-time in the reverse fixture. I agree with this, we've just had a few big defeats that make stats like this jump out, 18 goals in 4 games is unacceptable but doesn't really show the bigger picture. It's like the stat where we scored more home goals last season than all of the other premiership clubs apart from Man Utd, yet we still knew our frontline was poor. It's like the reverse this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lake Bells tits 1 Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 I agree with this, we've just had a few big defeats that make stats like this jump out, 18 goals in 4 games is unacceptable but doesn't really show the bigger picture. It's like the stat where we scored more home goals last season than all of the other premiership clubs apart from Man Utd, yet we still knew our frontline was poor. It's like the reverse this year. Things go tits up bigtime occationally. Id rather lose 1 game 4-0 than 4 games 1-0, but at the same time it needs taken a look at. If we are to sement our position as a top-7 team, it needs sorting. Probably just a matter of replacing williamson and simpson, they disintergrate under pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brock Manson 0 Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 Things go tits up bigtime occationally. Id rather lose 1 game 4-0 than 4 games 1-0, but at the same time it needs taken a look at. If we are to sement our position as a top-7 team, it needs sorting. Probably just a matter of replacing williamson and simpson, they disintergrate under pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 - David Moyes really does deserve a crack at a bigger club. Since 2002, and with spending a fraction of what some clubs have spent, he's managed to finish (in no particular order) 4th, 5th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 7th, 7th and 8th amongst others. He cannit get his shit together in August/September though. Mad how frequently they have to climb the league as the season progresses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lake Bells tits 1 Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 Im a big puff?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lake Bells tits 1 Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 Mancini is quite sympathetic tbh. As much as City as a concept is despicable, I think he seems like a level-headed bloke. Usually gracious in defeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney 0 Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 Cheslea haven't sold their allocation for the FA Cup final. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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