JJ 0 Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 (edited) As bad as Labour are handling this, the Tories have politicised the emergence of the SNP to kill them (Labour) and have done so with aplomb, sadly... It's actually making the Tories look competent, how well they've played all the other parties. We need better leadership on the left than this. We need consistent strategies that will differentiate our parties from the Tories, not this rush to the middle ground. Truth is though, it's not going to happen. We're lumbered with the Tories until a) they fuck up something really, really seriously or b ) some geopolitical issue (like the financial crisis) comes along and shafts them. Even then, on the latter one, Labour would have to be properly sorted out to be able to make the most of it. If the opportunity came along now, they wouldn't be able to capitalise... I agree with pretty much everything, but I wouldn't say they've done it with aplomb. They've set a few obvious traps and Labour have just walked straight into them. But again, Labour's strategy is to win a few hundred thousand Tory votes instead of going after the millions who don't vote, or those who've left over the years to vote SNP, Lib Dem, Green etc, so it was inevitable that they were going to fall for these Tory tactics. Edited July 21, 2015 by JJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4003 Posted July 21, 2015 Author Share Posted July 21, 2015 Labour have become such a lame opposition that you have to wonder how the hell they can turn it around by 2020. The constant abstentions on bills that could have been defeated but instead passed is just enabling this Tory government to push through it's vile policies. Labour need to win people back as there's a mass of people who either don't vote or vote for another party, but instead focus their entire strategy on winning a few hundred thousand votes off the Tories in marginals, and thus this is the feeble opposition you get. They opposed everything during the last 5 years and got trounced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4003 Posted July 21, 2015 Author Share Posted July 21, 2015 As bad as Labour are handling this, the Tories have politicised the emergence of the SNP to kill them (Labour) and have done so with aplomb, sadly... It's actually making the Tories look competent, how well they've played all the other parties. We need better leadership on the left than this. We need consistent strategies that will differentiate our parties from the Tories, not this rush to the middle ground. Truth is though, it's not going to happen. We're lumbered with the Tories until a) they fuck up something really, really seriously or b ) some geopolitical issue (like the financial crisis) comes along and shafts them. Even then, on the latter one, Labour would have to be properly sorted out to be able to make the most of it. If the opportunity came along now, they wouldn't be able to capitalise... I can see no way back for Labour while the SNP have a strangle hold in Scotland. The next election is a foregone conclusion which will allow a decent leader to emerge for Labour in 2020, but with Scotland sewn up and UKIP growing South of the border, nothing's changing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4003 Posted July 21, 2015 Author Share Posted July 21, 2015 I agree with pretty much everything, but I wouldn't say they've done it with aplomb. They've set a few obvious traps and Labour have just walked straight into them. But again, Labour's strategy is to win a few hundred thousand Tory votes instead of going after the millions who don't vote, or those who've left over the years to vote SNP, Lib Dem, Green etc, so it was inevitable that they were going to fall for these Tory tactics. No party is going to win from the left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13900 Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 5 years of public disorder and starving children says otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 39129 Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 No party is going to win from the left.Given your stellar record of being spectacularly wrong on virtually every utterance that falls from your kebab-stained maw, this fills me full of hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4003 Posted July 21, 2015 Author Share Posted July 21, 2015 5 years of public disorder and starving children says otherwise. Similar to the patter five years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13900 Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 Given your stellar record of being spectacularly wrong on virtually every utterance that falls from your kebab-stained maw, this fills me full of hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 (edited) Thing is, much as I want to believe otherwise, I actually find myself in agreement with CT here. Labour look shot - they've never properly got it together following Blair and they have no idea who they are anymore. The left, while still the larger proportion of the country IMO, are fragmented, and the Tories are sweeping up the middle ground that Labour failed to vacate. Genuinely believe we're fucked until something else comes along that kicks off governmental change outside of domestic politics. Maybe withdrawal from the EU would do it, but I expect the Tories will play both sides of that debate... Edited July 21, 2015 by Rayvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 I agree with pretty much everything, but I wouldn't say they've done it with aplomb. They've set a few obvious traps and Labour have just walked straight into them. But again, Labour's strategy is to win a few hundred thousand Tory votes instead of going after the millions who don't vote, or those who've left over the years to vote SNP, Lib Dem, Green etc, so it was inevitable that they were going to fall for these Tory tactics. Yeah I guess that's probably true. This is what happens when you lose an election and the leader immediately vacates the scene. Miliband should have stayed on to continue guiding the party and steering the debate as Brown should have done before him. I don't know if that would have been enough this time, but a significant part of me thinks that if Brown had continued to lead and stood in opposition while the fallout from the financial crisis was raging, we wouldn't be where we are today. The Tories peddled a pack of lies entirely unanswered by Labour, and they're doing so again now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26762 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Thing is, much as I want to believe otherwise, I actually find myself in agreement with CT here. Labour look shot - they've never properly got it together following Blair and they have no idea who they are anymore. I agree. It's been said 1000 times but the biggest mistake Labour made was chosing Ed over David and that was down to the unions' stupidity. Look where it's got them now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30740 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 CT's patter about Labour is basically what was being said about the Tories for most of the last 20 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 14860 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 It's all mostly cyclical. There was a Tory on the radio yesterday droning on about how after the coalition's cost cutting in the last parliament crime has fallen and hospital waiting times had been improved and kids were being educated better blah blah blah...which all may or may not be true depending on what stats you want to believe.Thing is if Davey Milli arrives and saves Labour from themselves and there's another financial "adjustment" in the next few years it won't mean a fuckin thing. If the press turn on the Tories they'll be toast, same as Majors crowd were in the nineties once an acceptable leader emerged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anorthernsoul 1221 Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 This has been ongoing for years and neither governments have done anywhere near enough to put a stop to it and I can't see that changing. Both blame each other and let it escalate. http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jul/29/calais-migrant-crisis-chaos-will-continue-until-weekend-at-least-police-warn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4003 Posted July 30, 2015 Author Share Posted July 30, 2015 The Bastards! David Cameron has demanded that porn websites introduce strict age checks or face being shut down. The Prime Minister said that, if under-18s are not locked out from viewing explicit images, he will take action. One option is to set up an independent regulator which could force internet service providers (ISPs) to block offending sites under the threat of fines. While many websites currently ask for users to enter their date of birth before entering, minors can enter a different age which will allow them access. Mr Cameron proposed that websites ask for bank details or credit card details instead. "Our one nation government is working hard to make the internet a safer place for children," he said. "The next step in this campaign is to curb access to harmful pornographic content which is currently far too widely available. "I want to see age restrictions put into place or these websites will face being shut down." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 39129 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Wanker-in-Chief wants to control Wankers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Well, that's nothing a good proxy won't fix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 How about the divvy toff cunt let's parents decide whether to put parental controls on their devices Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 3992 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Absolute luddites - thing is he has advisers who should say "That's impossible you stupid cunt". Of course speaking to the Mail reading masses is the real point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 12866 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 As if Cameron isn't in to the worst porn in the world. Scat, snuff films AOTS at Downing Street. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 14860 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Absolute luddites - thing is he has advisers who should say "That's impossible you stupid cunt". Of course speaking to the Mail reading masses is the real point. I think one of the subjects of this missive writes for the daily mail... http://voxpoliticalonline.com/2015/07/28/a-doctor-writes-on-sarah-vines-decision-to-take-michael-gove-to-the-wrong-nhs-facility/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anorthernsoul 1221 Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 I can't believe what I'm reading. Cronyism defined. http://www.pressreader.com/uk/daily-mail/20150810/281689728536259/TextView Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 14860 Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 Bernie Sanders for President! http://www.trueactivist.com/18-ceos-called-out-by-bernie-sanders-for-taking-trillions-in-bailouts-evading-taxes-and-outsourcing-jobs/?utm_content=buffer4f145&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/aug/11/ministers-halt-benefits-young-workers-migrant-pledge-eu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 35330 Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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