Rayvin 4964 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Chaos is a ladder Saying that, I've no idea how McDonnell thinks he's going to get away with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Order out of Chaos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 4 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: "No democratic legitimacy. Her position is untenable: no credibility at home or bargaining power with Brussels" pretty damning assessment from paddy ashdown She'll be gone pretty soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 20051 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 May says she wants to form a government because the country needs stability - like she's in any position to offer that, the brass neck on her all three talking heads on the bbc panel there across the party spectrum suggested we'd see another election before the end of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 1 minute ago, Dr Gloom said: May says she wants to form a government because the country needs stability - like she's in any position to offer that, the brass neck on her all three talking heads on the bbc panel there across the party spectrum suggested we'd see another election before the end of the year. Can we win that one? Tougher fight, the Tories won't be surprised next time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 2 minutes ago, Rayvin said: Can we win that one? Tougher fight, the Tories won't be surprised next time. Labour will be even stronger. Nobody talked about 2m more people registering to vote this time...It will be larger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4003 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 2 minutes ago, Rayvin said: Can we win that one? Tougher fight, the Tories won't be surprised next time. When do the boundary changes come in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 20051 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 I've given up making predictions, fuck knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 14838 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 2 minutes ago, Rayvin said: Can we win that one? Tougher fight, the Tories won't be surprised next time. If theres still 30k riding on it, aye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 4 minutes ago, PaddockLad said: If theres still 30k riding on it, aye Yeah but, this time they were getting students out on the basis of 'you can make a difference'. And the while they certainly did, they haven't actually achieved anything material. Harder to sell the second time around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 9135 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 14 minutes ago, Rayvin said: Chaos is a ladder Saying that, I've no idea how McDonnell thinks he's going to get away with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 14838 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Obviously not sure about the source here, I imagine this isn't the most balanced view but there is a lot of detail in it...https://ansionnachfionn.com/2017/06/06/dup-secures-the-backing-of-british-terror-groups-in-the-uk-general-election/ tbh after the mud not sticking to jezza on this issue it's a bit moot but the fuckin gall of the tories this morning is both stunning but somehow also expected Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 16967 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 3991 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 10 minutes ago, Rayvin said: Yeah but, this time they were getting students out on the basis of 'you can make a difference'. And the while they certainly did, they haven't actually achieved anything material. Harder to sell the second time around. Sell the chance to actually win which was never on the cards this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Kid Dynamite 6065 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 23 minutes ago, Rayvin said: Can we win that one? Tougher fight, the Tories won't be surprised next time. If Labour play it smart in the coming months. Start educating people on media bias, rub the Tory faces in the absolute mess of having 2 consecutive unelected Prime Ministers and ending up with a leave vote no one really wanted, mobilise the students who have a renewed interest in politics etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 6065 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 17 minutes ago, Rayvin said: Yeah but, this time they were getting students out on the basis of 'you can make a difference'. And the while they certainly did, they haven't actually achieved anything material. Harder to sell the second time around. Nah, they've created a generation of cosmopolitan liberal elite students who think they are the 2nd coming of the young ones. It's onwards and upwards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 14133 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Surely people can see that FPTP has run its course now. Though of course by definition you're never going to see much will to change it from the party in power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30724 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 2 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said: If Labour play it smart in the coming months. Start educating people on media bias, rub the Tory faces in the absolute mess of having 2 consecutive unelected Prime Ministers and ending up with a leave vote no one really wanted, mobilise the students who have a renewed interest in politics etc. They should absolutely hammer May over the links with Libya and the Manchester bomber and her complicity too. Not to mention the relationship with the Saudi Arabians. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30724 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 (edited) 1 minute ago, Meenzer said: Surely people can see that FPTP has run its course now. Though of course by definition you're never going to see much will to change it from the party in power. Absolutely agree with this too. Edited June 9, 2017 by Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 18001 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 3 minutes ago, Meenzer said: Surely people can see that FPTP has run its course now. Though of course by definition you're never going to see much will to change it from the party in power. Rubbish. You need FPTP to get stable government. PR just results in chaos. I read that somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 14133 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Just now, Renton said: Rubbish. You need FPTP to get stable government. PR just results in chaos. I read that somewhere. Well, it did give us a stable government with a majority in 2015. I wonder what happened to them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30724 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 1 minute ago, Renton said: Rubbish. You need FPTP to get stable government. PR just results in chaos. I read that somewhere. They always highlight Italy in that regard as well, conveniently ignoring just about every other country in Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 14133 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 We just don't like any hint of political compromise in this country, even though ironically a pragmatic cross-party Brexit team would be the best way to make the whole thing any kind of success at all. But imagine the cost at the ballot box, etc. etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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