PaddockLad

An official EU appointed and uniformed force working out of official EU reception centres would be a start, based in the likes of Sicilly and Crete and other major points of entry. Then it may be getting dealt with on sovereign states' soil but not at their expense. Things can then be assessed. And if there's a policy to send some back for decent legally binding reasons, so be it.

Can you do something about the seating? Like sardines in there when its chocka with those booth things

Yeah it's over priced tourist trap twaddle tbh...the little quiches are home made though...

It's a good quality cotton t shirt and it's utterly fab, not sure when I'll wear mine but I couldn't resist

Pork pies, locally sourced meats, pickled veg, quiche, sardines....couple of places on Poole quay do it, it's like a buffet for the broadsheet set... I've always wanted to open a shop selling vinyl & CDs, new/old etc....the blueprint is just up the road from Poole in a small market town... https://www.pixieme.org/businesses/4144/square-records http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/12900242.Vinyl_lovers_queue_for_two_days_outside_music_shop_for_Record_Store_Day/ they're well established but starting one from scratch and making it a success is probably impossible...these lads in Pompey introduced something else to attract the customers... http://www.pieandvinyl.co.uk

Good to see you getting your money's worth Doc

Crisis?..is it really? Or is it a crisis because the daily mail etc says so?...silly season atm + an immigration story=crisis. There's literally nothing to be done, people want a slice of the good life and know they can take advantage of EU laws to get it. If I was in sat in Homs or Darfur I'm fuckin sure I'd be on my bike.

It's all very well saying "we should be signing x,y and z" but it does smack a bit of forgetting who owns the club....whatever happens, not everything that needs addressing will be. So stop fretting Quiff, it's a pointless excercise.

Ted Nugent (Google is your friend here kids ) says the Cecil the lion story is A GODDAM LIE! http://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/jul/30/ted-nugent-cecil-the-lion-story-is-a-lie

Oooofft!.... https://www.facebook.com/TFOOTBALLBible/videos/503374553156083/

That looks a tough league where Demba Ba has gone to this season.... https://www.facebook.com/WorldTruthTV/videos/853854094730973/

I think one of the subjects of this missive writes for the daily mail... http://voxpoliticalonline.com/2015/07/28/a-doctor-writes-on-sarah-vines-decision-to-take-michael-gove-to-the-wrong-nhs-facility/

Confirmed.....still got to apply for a visa though, must be a formality now though? http://www.nufc.co.uk/articles/20150730/mbemba-completes-magpies-move_2281670_4899136?

From the Guardian, is this you Gloom? “Hi Niall, as someone who has tickets for tomorrow, I am despairing at the current state of play.” moans Luke Stevenson. “Obviously, it’s great for England, however my dad just texted me asking if I fancy a day at the Black Country museum instead.”

Agreed, if you believed in it as a movement that meant something in 76 by the end of 78 you'd have probably been suicidal the way things panned out..

don't ever change Parky

I wouldn't have been able to comment much about current stuff either until about 6 months ago but during the day if they're playing a dance track radio one is like a "TRANCE NATION 97" compilation. It's fuckin dreadful. EDIT: I was referring to Chez's comment about how huge it is now. Undeniably true but in that regard also musically stagnant.

And that's the difference, they were all art school posh, all ideologically driven, so was punk. They used young working class kids to send their message to the masses. Mike Pickering imported some banging tunes. Am certainly not saying one is better than the other but to claim rave was similar to punk in ethos us just plain wrong iyam.

Yeah am probably using the wrong words, they're not a strong point.. But you've got to pretty much accept that if the mainstream is now regularly playing the stuff we heard in clubs 15-20 years ago then things haven't moved on musically which is surely what is the most important thing about what may be termed "dance music culture"? There's nothing original driving change, the clubs and radio stations make the most money from trance and no ones willing to take a chance to take something a tiny bit weird but hugely better in qualityto the masses. So due to mass market forces the culture isn't evolving. You can be sure before Bates and DLT got the bullet the playlist as well as fuckin "our tune" also contained the Progidy and they'd have had to have played it....

For me, there's nothing coming in from the underground that's properly influencing the mainstream, I.e what could be loosely called what you'd hear on radion one. Radio one used to play the weird and the slightly avant garde without really knowing it. Yes you had SAW, but you also had Inner City. I've just finished a job where there was lots of young uns with radio one on and even with my fairly broad mind I've got to say the music was unutterably fuckin shit. That's not age, am open to anything but can you find any originality in the trancey shite that dominates radio one nowadays? It's the same music that I hated when it became popular in clubs in the later 1990s. Am sure you can give me examples of good stuff to try but I doubt if it's going to be top of the download charts anytime soon

The point is it's culturally dead though. It obviously didn't start out as a global phenomenon, but as usual once the mass market claims it it loses its originality which is what the OP in this thread is (I think??) saying. Am not an elitist, I love the popular as much as the obscure, and if kids today love it who the fuck am I to say it's shit and it was better in my day, but it was never intended to be anything more than a good time and as soon as the money men got hold of it it changed for the worst reasons.Punk in essence wanted to change society but failed miserably due to elitism and lack of anything truly coherant by way of a message. Am sure I'll be crucified for saying this too but rave/house/dance music hasn't really moved on much either iyam but I'm probably not the best qualified person on here to make that judgement. I'll just go back to my A guy called Gerald box set

By the mid nineties I'd lost a bit of interest in it tbh(it couldn't compete with keegans side) and I was never a full on rave head anyway, but I was at what was allegedly on of the first parties in Scotland, no way of properly knowing now tbh, it was held in an old quarry near Dalkeith around 88ish. Then I moved down south, and there was a big scene centered on outdoor parties in the new forest during the summer and a club near Worthing called Sterns and one in Bournemouth called Maddison's. These were local "rave clubs" they'd get the likes of Carl cox and John dig weed, the new forest efforts I honestly couldn't tell you who played but they were a lot more obscure.Then there was the odd trip to London for ministry,which was just full of wankers tbh and put me off big clubs pretty much for good with their door policy. Slinky started in Bournemouth around this time and that tosser from hayzee fantazee (Jeremy??) seemed to play every week. It was fuckin dreadful tbh and the new forest gang started getting nicked regularly so they knocked it on the head. VW bug jams were good too I remember, The Progidy turned up in their "harlequin suit" days a couple of times.

I said in its original form and spirit. By the mid nineties it was just another bunch of kids getting walloped in nightclubs. Tbh my parents had done that and they're now 79 and 80.

Rave=alternative reality?