Alan Pardew - Poltroon sacked by a forrin team

[PaddockLad 14585]

Honestly, at the time if you'd asked me who the most boring club and supporters I'd ever seen it would've been them based on that 1st time I'd encountered them. Makes all that ultra shite more amusing all these years later. I got the impression that their fans were dull as fuck.

Visiting Selhurst throughout the last 20 odd years has been thoroughly dispiriting, and it's fuckin regularity due to having Wimbledon as tenants for a decade was just depressing. Then all of a sudden after Palaces last promotion they've sudden gained a bunch of bell ends in black with a drum and a bell(?) and a few flags. It's a bit sketchy for me because we only got through the turnstiles last November where they've built a bar/smoking area and we didn't get beyond that, having arrived at roughly 3-20pm, by which time we'd already let 3? in . Half time came and went and there we stayed, barely watching the parcel of shit unfolding a few yards away on the outside tv screens.

 

Im a tiny bit ashamed that I didn't personally see a blade of grass that day, but who'd actually look forward to a Pardew v McLaren fixture in the first place? Tbh I was only there out of my daft misplaced sense of "duty" to the 11 black and white twats on the pitch that I can't seem to shake off. A year on and we're literally a different club in every single way, and they're going to appoint hippo heed. Fuck them and their dull, typically entitled cockney followers. They deserve Allardyce.

[Meenzer 14055]

It's 'eagles shit on seagulls when they play Brighton'.

 

If they weren't cockernee they could craft a very pleasing "shite on" / "Brighton" rhyme.

[StoneColdStephenIreland 74]

Poetic justice tbh.

I guess most people will have already seen this but it gives me a warm, Christmassy feel so I'll post it anyway:

We had a similar year under him in 2014 when we lost 15 of 21 fixtures at the end of the 13/14 season then we waited 7 matches for our first win of the next season.

 

It's fantastic seeing an absolute twat of a man getting shown for the fraud he is.

[NJS 3978]

Despite my ultra cynicism, I can't help asking why nobody has raised someone who at worst is corrupt and at best proven unethical waltzing back into a job with barely a word said.

[Ayatollah Hermione 12767]

Despite my ultra cynicism, I can't help asking why nobody has raised someone who at worst is corrupt and at best proven unethical waltzing back into a job with barely a word said.

Aye and I'm sure it'll be conveniently forgotten by the press, outside of a few joke questions that he'll laugh off. Funnily enough, I can imagine Palace are the only club (aside from Sunderland) who are so desperate that they'd turn to Allardyce in his current situation. Much like they were the only club desperate enough to turn to Pardew last time around

[Tooj 17]

http://www.espnfc.com/video/espn-fc-tv/86/video/3025276/what-went-wrong-for-alan-pardew

[Dickie 0]

I would have thought Palace could aim higher than Hippo Heed tbh. They seem to have cash to spend, already have a fair few talented players, and are in London which seems to be more attractive to foreigners and their missuses than the provinces. From our point of view they are a non-entity of a club as others have stated, but that wont matter to prospective managers keen to make their mark in the Premier League. If I was a Palace supporter I'd be gutted to end up with Allardyce.

[Park Life 70]

http://www.espnfc.com/video/espn-fc-tv/86/video/3025276/what-went-wrong-for-alan-pardew

Probably one of the first times I've seen Pardew nailed on any kind of football programme. Shaka laying down some nice suppressing fire.

[Park Life 70]

I would have thought Palace could aim higher than Hippo Heed tbh. They seem to have cash to spend, already have a fair few talented players, and are in London which seems to be more attractive to foreigners and their missuses than the provinces. From our point of view they are a non-entity of a club as others have stated, but that wont matter to prospective managers keen to make their mark in the Premier League. If I was a Palace supporter I'd be gutted to end up with Allardyce.

Only there to stave off relegation.

[Howay 12458]

http://www.espnfc.com/video/espn-fc-tv/86/video/3025276/what-went-wrong-for-alan-pardew

Shaka's accent always makes me laugh, the odd word is clearly in a Geordie accent .

 

The thing with Pardew is he's just not a good manager but he has the arrogance of a Mourinho/Guardiola level of manager (he's definitely more obnoxious about it but I'm more meaning in terms of self regard than how he conducts himself), it's fine if you're their level to act like that because you're successful and I think when you're at that level you need to have a lot of self confidence in order to manage players like Messi, De Bruyne, Cole, etc.

 

He's probably a Championship standard manager which is where he'd be if he wasn't English but because he's English he's often given a pass and they have short term memory when it comes to his previous failings (until it suits them to point it out, normally as he's on the verge of sacking). NJS is spot on about how disgraceful it is that the media are pretty much silent in regards to Allardyce just walking back into a PL job after being found to be a corrupt cunt, that is the sort of shite that English managers get away with and is why we were left getting slagged to bits after Pardew left. 

 

Look at the squad he had for Southampton and the bloke couldn't get them out of League one Puncheon, Lambert, Jose Fonte, Schneiderlin, Lallana, Michail Antonio, I know they were a lot younger but howay man a half decent manager would get a team with that lot higher than 7th in League one. I've little doubt some daft shites will appoint him as manager soon.

[Howay 12458]

I would have thought Palace could aim higher than Hippo Heed tbh. They seem to have cash to spend, already have a fair few talented players, and are in London which seems to be more attractive to foreigners and their missuses than the provinces. From our point of view they are a non-entity of a club as others have stated, but that wont matter to prospective managers keen to make their mark in the Premier League. If I was a Palace supporter I'd be gutted to end up with Allardyce.

Fully agree, I can't help but feel it's the pull of that Parrish and maybe Jordan (I've no idea of that orange pricks pull anymore) that want English managers. As you say they're a non-entity to us but they're a PL side and to foreign coaches (and people in football in general really, look at Townsend) that's all that matters, they'd get paid a wedge and be in London.

 

It's simply bad ownership tbh, I saw a thing about them on tv a while back which was clearly intended to show how mint they were but they started filming when the wheels were coming off but in it Jordan was essentially saying very similar stuff to the Geordie nation stuff we get pulled to bits for and that's a big reason they went for Pardew and I think it's what keeps them getting British managers: Allardyce, Pardew, Warnock, Pulis, Holloway etc. 

Edited December 23, 2016 by Howay

[Monkeys Fist 38767]

Confirmed.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38408288

 

This article is the journalistic version of a rusty trombone.

[Howay 12458]

Confirmed.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38408288

 

This article is the journalistic version of a rusty trombone.

Honestly every time that fat cunt goes somewhere there's an article declaring he's right for the club. He isn't, it'll be some of the worst football they've ever seen and eventually he'll get the sack with a massive pay off.

[Monkeys Fist 38767]

I've nothing in particular against Palace, if I'm honest they're more beige than Villa to me.

However, I really hope he fails miserably and goes down.

 

 

With Pardew's sunderland.

[ewerk 26347]

Hey, he signed a couple of players fifteen years ago who weren't boring as fuck, you're all wrong about him.

 

The relegations of Blackburn and us were directly attributable to him leaving. Nothing to do with the series of incredible fuck ups that happened subsequently.

[Tooj 17]

Hey, he signed a couple of players fifteen years ago who weren't boring as fuck, you're all wrong about him.

 

The relegations of Blackburn and us were directly attributable to him leaving. Nothing to do with the series of incredible fuck ups that happened subsequently.

Totally nailed it.

[Dr Gloom 19825]

Parish said Pardew's "expansive style of football hasn't worked" and told BBC Sport on Thursday they would now "wind the dial back the other way".

 

Expansive

 

Palace fans better prepare for their style of football to be wound back to the 1800s

[Howmanheyman 26833]

Visiting Selhurst throughout the last 20 odd years has been thoroughly dispiriting, and it's fuckin regularity due to having Wimbledon as tenants for a decade was just depressing. Then all of a sudden after Palaces last promotion they've sudden gained a bunch of bell ends in black with a drum and a bell(?) and a few flags. It's a bit sketchy for me because we only got through the turnstiles last November where they've built a bar/smoking area and we didn't get beyond that, having arrived at roughly 3-20pm, by which time we'd already let 3? in . Half time came and went and there we stayed, barely watching the parcel of shit unfolding a few yards away on the outside tv screens.

 

Im a tiny bit ashamed that I didn't personally see a blade of grass that day, but who'd actually look forward to a Pardew v McLaren fixture in the first place? Tbh I was only there out of my daft misplaced sense of "duty" to the 11 black and white twats on the pitch that I can't seem to shake off. A year on and we're literally a different club in every single way, and they're going to appoint hippo heed. Fuck them and their dull, typically entitled cockney followers. They deserve Allardyce.

It's one ground I've never been to and I can't see that changing tbh. I fucking hated London games anyway when I used to travel a bit.

[OTF 6148]

I would have thought Palace could aim higher than Hippo Heed tbh. They seem to have cash to spend, already have a fair few talented players, and are in London which seems to be more attractive to foreigners and their missuses than the provinces. From our point of view they are a non-entity of a club as others have stated, but that wont matter to prospective managers keen to make their mark in the Premier League. If I was a Palace supporter I'd be gutted to end up with Allardyce.

They might actually believe us this time when we tell them Allardyce and his football are both dire.

[ewerk 26347]

Totally nailed it.

I forgot to mention that his use of sports science shows how forward thinking he is.

[Tooj 17]

Parish said Pardew's "expansive style of football hasn't worked" and told BBC Sport on Thursday they would now "wind the dial back the other way".

 

Expansive

 

Palace fans better prepare for their style of football to be wound back to the 1800s

Somehow the team that so far this season have played the most long balls in the league their football is about to get worse.

[The Fish 8989]

 

‘My win percentage was healthy ... I was let down by transfer dealings’

In his first interview since being sacked by Crystal Palace, Alan Pardew says that loyalty to his players cost him his job but insists he’ll be a manager for another decade, even if his next position may be abroad

 

 

As he drove to meet Steve Parish in the chairman’s offices in Soho just a few days before Christmas, Alan Pardew did not think he was about to be fired as manager of Crystal Palace. His mind was ticking over with plans, targets, thoughts of staging a recovery. “I was thinking about training for the next day, changing the team, who do I buy in January,” he says. “When I went to see Steve I thought I was going to talk transfers. Did I think there was a chance it was ending? I’m not daft. It was maybe a 35 per cent chance in my mind. “But I didn’t think it would happen. It was not an unusual meeting. But then I walked through the door and I knew.”

Pardew was frustrated that he did not get that January transfer window to refresh the team, to plot a way out of trouble — “I don’t believe we would have been relegated,” he says — but he does not recall his sacking with rancour. He met Parish at a charity function recently and they shook hands.

I wondered if he might be bitter, angry at losing his job at a club who were the nearest thing to a spiritual home from his playing days, but he smiles and says football management reminds him of that famous diner scene in Heat. Al Pacino and Robert de Niro finally meet on screen, cop facing master criminal.

As they chat over coffee, Pacino explains that much as it was nice to talk, to connect as men, there is an inevitability about the shoot-out to come. “You do what you do, and I do what I gotta do,” he says.

“We’ve been face to face, yeah,” De Niro responds. “But I will not hesitate. Not for a second.”

“It’s a bit like us in football,” Pardew smiles. “Chairman, manager, you do what you gotta do. But it’s not personal. It’s the business.

“There’s no point me saying, ‘I didn’t make a mistake.’ Or, ‘It was the wrong decision.’ I have to accept it and make sure next time I go in I don’t make the same mistakes. I say this to other managers who have had the sack, it’s important, you mustn’t wear it or you can forget the next job. My family, friends, fans might say it’s wrong but I think ‘it’s done, we move on’.”

He pauses. “When you are younger you have massive dreams. The game humbles you. And if you don’t humble with it you are in trouble.”

 

 

Some will be surprised to hear Pardew talking about humility. He knows his cockney flash reputation. That touchline “dad dance” at Wembley has been replayed countless times.

“I am quite forthright in my views and personality,” he laughs. “I am not shy. That’s documented.” But if that is part of him, it is certainly not the whole Pardew. He is reflective about his career, his strengths and weaknesses.

As he considers where and how he would like his work to resume — “I’ve got far too much energy to live on the golf course” — he grapples with the strange trajectory of his rollercoaster career.

The upward surges have been good enough to do something not many English managers have achieved in reaching two FA Cup finals (with Palace and West Ham United), be close to consecutive promotions at Reading and manager of the year at Newcastle United, and yet spells at West Ham, Charlton Athletic, Southampton and Palace have not been terminated at his behest. How to explain that recent dramatic Palace rise and slump? Pardew’s career is not an easy one to quantify. He struggles to answer if he is more thrilled by the good runs or disappointed by the struggles.

“From where I have come from, from where I started, I wouldn’t have foreseen this success, let alone this failure,” he says. “So how do you look at it?”

Most of his jobs have started strongly, and he wonders if that relates to his background playing non-League until his mid-twenties.

“Whyteleafe, Epsom & Ewell, Dulwich Hamlet, Corinthian-Casuals . . . that experience moving around so much taught me to get into a group quite quickly,” he says. “I coached young too. When I was at Charlton, I’d take sessions on a Tuesday, Thursday night at Merton, just on a park pitch, a couple of lights. We started off with less than ten, by the end we could have 45, tough guys from Streatham. You have to keep them entertained and that takes a certain character.”

That is where his force of personality works. Palace were the classic case: taking over an ailing team after the sacking of Neil Warnock, not only leading them to safety but the thrills of an FA Cup final. “We started in big trouble but it wasn’t even a struggle to stay in the division,” he says.

But then came the downturn. “Looking back, I sat down with Steve in the summer and we decided we wanted to take the club forward,” he says. “We made changes but I definitely have the view we didn’t change the squad enough.

“We brought players in but I think we should have done more. That was compounded when we thought we had good cover at left back, not thinking Pape Souaré would be in a car crash. That was a big mistake not getting cover in one or two areas.

“Sometimes as manager you do get loyal to players. They kept us up, we got to the cup final. I couldn’t fault their attitude but we didn’t have a balanced team.

“The players I’ve had, I think I’ve largely got the maximum out of them but maybe you can’t keep going for maximum. Maybe my loyalty gets in the way a little bit. I have been loyal to a fault with some. That’s just a trait I have. Something I have to keep an eye on.”

Sometimes you have to acknowledge some of your strengths can be your weaknesses

 

With time to think, to step back from the madness of it all, there are other ways he plans to alter his approach to the job. “Always learning,” he says, at 55.

He is determined to train players harder physically. “When I started, the hard pre-season was a big thing, maybe too extreme among some,” he says. “But I think we have come too far the other way.

“Doctors under pressure at Premier League level, sports scientists protecting themselves a little bit, sometimes worried what the chairman will think if there is any injury. I am not saying devalue them, don’t take their opinion. I just think we have become too protective.”

He says that, in his next job, the players will have “a pre-season to remember”, especially having taken time to look at other sports.

“I wonder if footballers are at the level they can be physically,” he says. “I think many can go further.” He notes that other leading managers he has spoken to concur with his analysis.

As if to prove the point, we meet at St George’s Park where Pardew is delivering a training session on behalf of the League Managers Association to a group of coaches over from the United States.

Pardew is keen to show the necessary intensity but, having borrowed a student team from Derby, two players are soon gasping on the sidelines.

To watch Pardew lead the session is to be struck by his forcefulness. I mention it to him when he is finished.

“It’s a powerful voice,” he says. “I have been conscious of that. Do I have to temper it sometimes? Maybe. Sometimes you have to acknowledge some of your strengths can be your weaknesses.”

Pardew insists that the narrative of short-term impact followed by downturn is overstated, pointing to sustained improvement at Reading, constant rebuilding over four seasons on Tyneside.

“It gets documented that my first year is a great success then it kind of fades away. That’s what people say about me. I could have arguments against that.

“I thought I had come back well at Newcastle with the second team I built there. I was unfortunate to lose that team to transfers, big players like Loïc Rémy, Yohan Cabaye, Demba Ba. My win percentage in the Premier League, when you consider the clubs I’ve been at and the budgets I’ve had, I know it’s healthy. With buying and selling, I think I was in credit at Newcastle, not that the fans want to hear that. At Palace we were never going to spend fortunes. To get [Christian] Benteke, the books had to be balanced.” Yannick Bolasie departed.

He feels as though there is unfinished business. “My career has stalled at the moment,” he says. “But I think I’ll come out stronger and better. Otherwise I would go and sit in Barcelona, eat tapas.

“I love work. When I was a glazier [and non-League footballer], I was meant to work till 4.30pm but had to get it done by 3 to make the evening game. You had to get a certain amount of windows in so I had to work bloody hard to get it done, to get in my car, drive two and a half hours to Yeovil. Then driving back, A303 on a frozen night in the pitch dark.

“I love the work, love being out on the pitch. When you are on it, it feels like you are engaged in an epic battle. You can’t replace it. I don’ t know any way to replace it. I might manage for another ten years.”

The question is where. “I have thought about going abroad. The chances of the top six are slim when you’ve been sacked by Palace,” he says. “My CV is what it is and I think I’m in a good place to go back in. I think some managers don’t go back in a good place. They are scarred by what’s happened before or worried that it’s going to happen to them again. I feel robust like that. I had to show a lot of resilience at Newcastle. I soon realised you can’t always please people so you have to get about your job the best way you can.

“I just want to feel confident going into my job that I can have success — whether that’s trying to get promotion out of the Championship, win the African Nations Cup or, ideally, back in the Premier League. I want somewhere with a plan, a target. Wherever it is, I don’t want to hear there’s no ambition.

“The FA Cup — coming so close twice still burns so strong. You look at [Claudio] Ranieri. Who would have thought three years ago that he would win the title? That gives hope to all of us. I’ve always been an eternal optimist. Here we go, next one.”

If he does not get a job this summer, Pardew plans to spend time looking around Spain. He owns a property in Barcelona and is due to visit Quique Sánchez Flores, the former Watford manager now at Espanyol. He speaks a little Spanish and may try to improve.

He has heard friends advise a break, telling him to bow out of the insanity of it all, the short-termism. Financially, he has done well, especially when you consider where he started.

But as the man said, you gotta do what you gotta do. For Pardew, that means getting back to management, back on the rollercoaster, still believing that the best is yet to come.

 

PARDEW’S ROLLERCOASTER

Reading (1999-2003) Win percentage: 48.3

High times: Takes over struggling side and leads them to promotion to the old first division. Finishes fourth in his first season in second tier. Low times: A messy exit. John Madejski, the Reading chairman, says he is “very hurt” after Pardew resigns in September 2003 to take over at West Ham United, even attempting a High Court injunction to block the move

West Ham United (2003-2006) Win percentage: 41.1

High times: Gains promotion to Premier League via 2005 play-off final. Finishes ninth in 2006 and loses to Liverpool on penalties in one of the great FA Cup finals. Low times: Sacked in December 2006 having overseen West Ham’s worst run of defeats in more than 70 years.

Charlton Athletic (2006-08) Win percentage: 31.1

High times: Oversees upturn in form after taking over in December 2006, with the club seven points adrift at the bottom of Premier League. Low times: Unable to save Charlton from relegation in 2007, and leaves in November 2008 with the club in the Championship relegation zone, amid supporter protests.

Southampton (2009-10) Win percentage: 53.1

High times: Takes over in July 2009 with Southampton newly relegated to League One. Wins 2010 Football League Trophy. Low times: Falls out with Nicola Cortese, then the chairman, and is dismissed in August 2010. Reports of poor staff morale at St Mary’s contribute to his downfall.

Newcastle United (2010-14) Win percentage: 38.4

High times: Though a poll of 40,000 fans shows only 5.5 per cent support his appointment, he takes Newcastle to fifth in the Premier League, qualifying for Europe. Low times: Headbutts David Meyler, the Hull City midfielder, during a game in March 2014. Fined £100,000 and given a formal warning by the club, fined £60,000 by the FA and given a three-game stadium ban.

 

Crystal Palace (2015-16) Win percentage: 40.2

High times: Signs a three-and-a-half-year deal in January 2015 with the club battling relegation but lifts them to their best Premier League finish of tenth. Reaches FA Cup final the following season, losing to Manchester United after extra time. Low times: Palace were the worst performing side in all divisions in 2016, taking only 0.71 points per league game and winning six out of 36 overall. Palace have won one match in 11 and are 17th when Pardew is sacked in December 2016.

 

I mean, of course he likens Steve Parish and himself to Robert De Niro and Al Pacino in a classic movie, of course he does.   But also, look at him highlighting leftback as the position he wanted more strength in.   and no one is surprised that he complains that the medical staff protect the players too much

 

Good comment as well.

Jim Hacker 4 hours ago

Mr Pardew has a strange but consistent record at most of his clubs. A few relatively unexpected winning runs followed by long record breaking runs of defeats with little middle ground.

His time at Newcastle will be remembered by supporters for breaking many historical records. The longest run of consecutive defeats. The worst back to back home defeats ever. By far the worst record in derby matches ever. The worst record in cup competitions ever. Usually a decent start to a season followed by appalling results in the second half of the season.

Yes he finished fifth in one season but the club narrowly escaped relegation in most of the others.

 

Edited March 29, 2017 by The Fish

[Rayvin 4964]

Weird to see him claiming that he had us in credit in terms of transfers. Surely it was well known that such matters had almost nothing to do with him?

[The Fish 8989]

Weird to see him claiming that he had us in credit in terms of transfers. Surely it was well known that such matters had almost nothing to do with him?

 

Unlike him to take credit for anything positive and slope his shoulders of responsibility for anything negative...

[Alex 30414]

What an utter cunt