Rayvin 4964 Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 Aye well yeah. And tbh, it doesn't look like the new guys will have the capital to push them forward quickly - it'll be sustainable planning and growth. The Ashley model, arguably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3205 Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 Who are they going to get to replace Coleman, I have a feeling it will be McArthy but he will be there on the understanding he can only spend what he makes in sales. Which with the paper thin squad he has will be a difficult task. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30414 Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 18 minutes ago, zico martin said: I still don't get why short would do this though. Good news for them obviously but it seems too good to be true doesn't it? I wonder if he thought he'd spent X amount and it was going to cost more to get more to get back to the PL and even if he did it was more of the same shit anyway (plus on top of that he'd still have the debt anyway). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essembeeofsunderland 811 Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 Looks like Mick '15 points' McCarthy is getting the job.Underwhelmed is the word the makems are looking for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1117 Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 From what I can gather, they're still making losses so while not having the threat from the debt over their heads is clearly a good thing for them, anything else is going to be hugely dependent on what their new owners have to put in. At this stage we have no idea who their owners will be so it's impossible to know how much benefit they are going to see. My first though is though that even without the debt, they are going to need cost cutting for at least this season so it's really still very much up in the air whether or not they will have any sort of squad capable of putting together a promotion challenge. Having new owners who aren't actively trying to get shot of the club must a positive for them though and positives is what they need more than anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 How can Short just pay their debt off without breaching FFP? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26348 Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 Debt repayments don't count towards FFP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26348 Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 Capital repayments that is. The interest payments might have counted towards FFP but that isn't really an issue here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 So any club can just get a massive loan and then their owner pay it off? Seems like too obvious a loophole to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essembeeofsunderland 811 Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 I see Sunlun's Kate Adie is to receive a Bafta Fellowship award.MLF no doubt. Yep,Sunlun's Kate Adie,born in Whitley Bay . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 14055 Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 5 hours ago, essembeeofsunderland said: Some on here are obsessed with them.Not me 2 minutes ago, essembeeofsunderland said: I see Sunlun's Kate Adie is to receive a Bafta Fellowship award.MLF no doubt. Yep,Sunlun's Kate Adie,born in Whitley Bay . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essembeeofsunderland 811 Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 Steve Cram.MLF.Born in Gateshead and lives in Northumberland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essembeeofsunderland 811 Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 5 hours ago, Kevin Carr's Gloves said: How old are you? Four and a half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essembeeofsunderland 811 Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 I'm sure my thousands of followers on rtg will join me in saying 'well done Newcastle Falcons' having beaten Leicester at the weekend.A much needed ray of sunshine in the lives of makems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30414 Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 Kate Adie’s fault she was adopted by mackems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essembeeofsunderland 811 Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 Sunlun's Sir Tim Rice.MLF.Born in Buckinghamshire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essembeeofsunderland 811 Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 7 hours ago, Alex said: Kate Adie’s fault she was adopted by mackems She should have refused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strawb 3659 Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 19 hours ago, essembeeofsunderland said: Some on here are obsessed with them.Not me,I just fuckin hate them.27-3-1970. Is this performance art? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26348 Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 14 hours ago, TheGingerQuiff said: So any club can just get a massive loan and then their owner pay it off? Seems like too obvious a loophole to me. No. The money is accounted for under FFP when it's spent. So if we took a loan of £50m this summer and spent it on players it would count towards FFP, the repayment of the loan three years down the line wouldn't as it's already been accounted for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 8989 Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 19 hours ago, Rayvin said: if he was ready to do this, then it makes the Fish look right about his reluctance to spend in January. If he can afford to stuff an extra £80m or whatever it was into the club to pay off that debt, then why didn't he spend any money to save them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 9 minutes ago, The Fish said: 1 - you were right by accident. 2 - even if you weren't, you've only managed to correctly guess the behaviour of a truly irrational man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 8989 Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Rayvin said: 1 - you were right . 2 - you've managed to correctly assess the behaviour of a truly irrational man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26348 Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 Quote Sunderland's turmoil after back-to-back relegations has nothing to do with outgoing owner Ellis Short, says former manager Gus Poyet. The Black Cats will play in the third tier for the first time in 30 years next season, while Short has agreed a long-awaited sale of the club. "There is something inside the club that doesn't let it be as successful as it should be," Poyet told BBC Sport. "I don't think it is anything to do with Ellis Short." The Uruguayan said the current situation is "incredible", adding: "It hurts a lot because I had a great time there." Poyet was one of nine managers during Short's reign but was sacked in 2015 with the club 17th in the Premier League. Short has owned Sunderland for nine years and during his time in charge the club repeatedly escaped relegation from the top flight before finally dropping out of the Premier League last season as the bottom side, before suffering the same fate in the Championship this campaign. The American has been heavily criticised in recent seasons for a lack of spending and a distant relationship with the club as he tried to sell - manager Chris Coleman, who was sacked on Sunday following relegation from the Championship, claimed he did not speak to Short during his six months in charge. But Poyet said he has "no complaints" about his relationship with Short. "We always talked regularly when he was in England, London, Sunderland or in America," Poyet said. "When you change the manager many times and it doesn't get better, then people blame the directors and the chairman. "I had a fantastic time with him when I was there. We were always very honest to each other, he knows what I think about everything that was happening there and it is fantastic for him to remember those things I said to him and that will stay between us." Poyet took charge of Sunderland in October 2013 with the club bottom of the Premier League. Four victories and a draw from their final six league games helped keep them up - a run that included wins at Chelsea and Manchester United, plus a draw at Manchester City. The Uruguayan also led the Wearsiders to the 2014 Capital One Cup final, which they lost to City. Former manager Simon Grayson, who started this season in charge of the club, added: "It's very difficult to solely put the blame on Ellis because he's invested something like £200m into a football club and anybody who invests that sort of money has a real affinity with a club." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essembeeofsunderland 811 Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 So still no manager prepared to say what went wrong when they were there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 Has it been pointed out yet that this thread was started on the anniversary of the TAKING OF THE FULWELL! essemmbee has it so I can't look at the thread without seeing it, you twat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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