ewerk 26738 Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 The problem with these assessments is that they're under pressure to conclude that the claimant is fit for work. It skews the entire system. Sorry to hear about your situation but from what I understand there is a high rate of success on appeal. Not that they give a flying fuck what happens your wife and family in the mean time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 27370 Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 The problem with these assessments is that they're under pressure to conclude that the claimant is fit for work. It skews the entire system. Sorry to hear about your situation but from what I understand there is a high rate of success on appeal. Not that they give a flying fuck what happens your wife and family in the mean time. That's exactly it. Almost certainly the appeal won't be concluded in time for the car going so that's us basically fucked. We paid a decent deposit on the car as well thinking we had it for 3 years, (we've only had it a year), Getting to work is going to be a nightmare as well if a kid on my shift is off, never mind shopping, taking wife to appointments, kids to school etc. Fucking Tory vermin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Aye sorry to hear that HMHM. My ex's dad went through something similar (which I posted on here at the time and CT pretty much dismissed it and said that he must have been lying) and I know what it can do to people. Like you they just stopped the money without warning, which caused a hell of a lot of distress. All of this despite references from three consultants advising that he wasn't fit for work. He did win his appeal in the end but it doesn't take away the stress and uncertainty that this shambolic process caused. Hope you can get a similar outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Well, after the wife had an assessment from some 'medical professional' about the move from DLA to PIP, quelle fucking surprise, they must've stopped her award. I say 'must've' not 'have' as we've only found out from a letter today from motability telling us they'll be taking our car on the 28th this month and if we're in the middle of an appeal they'll still be taking the car. So, considering we haven't even found out from the DWP yet about their decision, (but they were quick enough to inform motability), I'm not holding out much hope of getting a decision about an appeal before the car goes, leaving us without any transport. This is the fucking state of this country now, victimisation of the disabled and their families. The 'medical professional' was a joke, clearly scripted and the non examination had us suspecting the worst at the time, the kid couldn't even pronounce her condition and appeared to never have even heard of it. It's just as well these things are done over the phone as I'm fucking raging here, mind. I'd personally love to have a discussion about this with Ian Duncan Smith or one of the party members who have taken over the reins but I'm not sure whether the NHS would be keen on treating them after a discussion. Fucking shaking with rage, here. They blatantly haven't looked at any notes from doctors, professors and specialists at all. Pleased CT isn't on here ATM as I'm not in the mood. What on earth is the point in taking away the car if you're going to appeal ffs... how does that help anyone? It'll just sit in a lock up at their end until the whole thing is concluded anyway. Sorry to hear this mate, totally agree that this is willful victimisation, the purpose of which is entirely driven by ideology and misconceptions about the realities of many people's lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 27370 Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Aye sorry to hear that HMHM. My ex's dad went through something similar (which I posted on here at the time and CT pretty much dismissed it and said that he must have been lying) and I know what it can do to people. Like you they just stopped the money without warning, which caused a hell of a lot of distress. All of this despite references from three consultants advising that he wasn't fit for work. He did win his appeal in the end but it doesn't take away the stress and uncertainty that this shambolic process caused. Hope you can get a similar outcome. It gets my back up reading about these things and I always think 'when's it our turn?' Tbh. In a normal world her notes alone should've been enough without going to the so-called assessment. Just been talking to a scouse kid from motability, really helpful etc but it looks like we're losing the car, (as I don't expect the DWP to be in any hurry), and then having to pick a new one if we win the appeal which is usually a couple of months wait, normally when changing over cars you keep your old one until the new one is ready but that's not going to be the case this time, obviously. We're no mugs and will sort something but my heart goes out to anyone vulnerable or alone who won't know what to do or go into a panic. Honestly, how anyone from round here can willingly put an X next to a Conservative candidate beats the shit out of me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooper 940 Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Sorry to hear this HMHM it's shit hope you & Mrs HMHM are ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 27370 Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Sorry to hear this HMHM it's shit hope you & Mrs HMHM are okAye, we were just discussing this the other day as well. The assessment was a bit like the 'I, Daniel Blake' one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 3989 Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 What on earth is the point in taking away the car if you're going to appeal ffs... how does that help anyone? It'll just sit in a lock up at their end until the whole thing is concluded anyway. Because it makes tories happy that "scroungers" are punished. They're opportunists - the financial crisis allowed them to use austerity to shrink the state and attack the poor. Brexit is now going to allow them to revoke rights and regulations and create a tax haven for their paymasters. I'm beginning to think of them as the aliens out of Independence Day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30718 Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Not really got anything to add other than I hope it all gets sorted out for you and your good lady, HMHM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 27370 Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Because it makes tories happy that "scroungers" are punished. They're opportunists - the financial crisis allowed them to use austerity to shrink the state and attack the poor. Brexit is now going to allow them to revoke rights and regulations and create a tax haven for their paymasters. I'm beginning to think of them as the aliens out of Independence Day. That's it, like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 27370 Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 What on earth is the point in taking away the car if you're going to appeal ffs... how does that help anyone? It'll just sit in a lock up at their end until the whole thing is concluded anyway. They don't want the car back, it's only a year into the agreement but they can't gamble on us winning and we will now have to get another one and wait for it. (If we win). It's squarely down to the DWP and their orders from Tory HQ. Really can't afford to buy one myself ATM with the house getting renovated. Cunts doesn't cover it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 35306 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Sorry to hear about your troubles, HMHM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12495 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Aye it sounds like absolute bollocks and I'm sorry you and the wife are going through it, really hope your appeal goes well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 27370 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Well before we went to the kangaroo assessment she had to fill in a form and put contact details for doctors/specialists that could help her case. She obviously put them all down. She used to work in the NHS and has rang them all up and had a chat with all of them and to nobodies great surprise not one of them have had any requests for information about wor lass from the DWP. They basically don't want to know what her doctors and specialists have to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26738 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 I think we've all had enough of so-called experts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 35306 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 You'll no doubt appeal, but you should also formally complain about a process that is basically a desktop box ticking exercise by a non medical professional, who then doesn't even bother to follow up with the actual professionals. What a fucking shitshow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 27370 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 You'll no doubt appeal, but you should also formally complain about a process that is basically a desktop box ticking exercise by a non medical professional, who then doesn't even bother to follow up with the actual professionals. What a fucking shitshow. We will, might even see the local MP while I'm at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30718 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Not on the same level re: inconvenience but me Dad was one of the many who had his blue disabled badge taken off him. He's got two conditions, one's a fucked ankle from his football days and the other is a serious heart condition. While he's quite fit for his age despite that he is in his 70s. It's basically more than just an inconvenience for him to walk very far. The assessment process was pretty much the same as HMHM describes. He had several letters from consultants and the bloke doing the assessment wouldn't even look at them as it was already decided. I realise people do abuse them but this certainly wasn't the case with my Dad. The whole thing has a very unpleasant smell about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 3989 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 I think it's a basic humanity test - if you're decent you're willing to accept that a proportion of claimants are false/liars on the basis that you know genuine people are getting the help they need. On the other hand if you're happy that genuine people suffer just to get at the wasters then you're vermin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30718 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Succinctly put. That's it for me like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12495 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 I think it's a basic humanity test - if you're decent you're willing to accept that a proportion of claimants are false/liars on the basis that you know genuine people are getting the help they need. On the other hand if you're happy that genuine people suffer just to get at the wasters then you're vermin. Spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26738 Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 (edited) Wow. Edited January 24, 2017 by ewerk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 #triggered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 14132 Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 Poor little snowflake. Good Morning Britain is meant to be his safe space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4258 Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 Poor little snowflake. Good Morning Britain is meant to be his safe space. The replies to it are absolutely ace. So many pictures of piers with child abusers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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