trooper 940 Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 Saw this on .com..... It's all bollocks man talk about jobs for the boys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooper 940 Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26916661 Just seen this Norwich have sacked Hughton with 5 games to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooper 940 Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 http://www.themag.co.uk/the-mag-articles/pardew-update-remy-injury/ This bloke is something else "the next 2 home games are massive" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catmag 336 Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTF 6148 Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 Over the last 7 years We have spent more than Everton on players - even though we spent a year in the championship. If they're challenging for Champions League there's no reason (Ashley asides) we couldn't attract an ex-Wigan boss. They're champions league contenders now. If Ashley wants the best return on his investment in players, he's best not handing them to Pardew given the short term level of performance he's capable of. Everton spend the money on retaining quality players vs bringing in new ones. As a result they've rarely been stuck with poor players on big wages, unlike us. Wage wise they're effectively paying the same as us, perhaps this season they will go past us in total wage, and they do so without paying players like Obertan 40k a week, M'Biwa, Marveaux and Ben Arfa 60k. At Everton players on that sort of coin are the top contributors and are main stays in the side. The financial controls are operated in unison with the chemistry of the team and guidance of the manager not in opposition to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 Everton spend the money on retaining quality players vs bringing in new ones. As a result they've rarely been stuck with poor players on big wages, unlike us. Wage wise they're effectively paying the same as us, perhaps this season they will go past us in total wage, and they do so without paying players like Obertan 40k a week, M'Biwa, Marveaux and Ben Arfa 60k. At Everton players on that sort of coin are the top contributors and are main stays in the side. The financial controls are operated in unison with the chemistry of the team and guidance of the manager not in opposition to it. Everton sold £40m of players this season alone. Ashley's never matched that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 38757 Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 Very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooper 940 Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 Pardew shameless 'n' blameless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monroe Transfer 0 Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 If we're going to overhaul the playing staff, I'd rather someone better than Pardew was overseeing it. Time for a change on all fronts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTF 6148 Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 Everton sold £40m of players this season alone. Ashley's never matched that. Without a doubt they are not immune to selling players. As you know the majority of that was for Fellaini who incidentally doesn't really for with their style of play under Martinez. The price they got for Anichebe was outrageous, and despite his flame burning brightly for a while they saw the writing on the wall wih Jelavic and cashed out with good timing at a premium above his ability as a player. All this said they really needed to make these sales as their wage bill is very high for their limited turnover so the sustainability for them is still somewhat questionable. Having the opportunity to bring in such quality on loan is a season on season proposition that is unlikely to be repeatable with this level of success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 14585 Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 Without a doubt they are not immune to selling players. As you know the majority of that was for Fellaini who incidentally doesn't really for with their style of play under Martinez. The price they got for Anichebe was outrageous, and despite his flame burning brightly for a while they saw the writing on the wall wih Jelavic and cashed out with good timing at a premium above his ability as a player. All this said they really needed to make these sales as their wage bill is very high for their limited turnover so the sustainability for them is still somewhat questionable. Having the opportunity to bring in such quality on loan is a season on season proposition that is unlikely to be repeatable with this level of success. 40mill + potentially ££££££s the champions league. We sell our best player then get twatted off the relegation fodder local rivals, then barely score a goal for 3 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26343 Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 It isn't. Though if they get CL football next season it'll go a long way to buying decent players and sustaining their current form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12455 Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 Aye, there's a very good chance they'll hold onto Barry (unless Martinez has an improvement lined up). Delofeu and Lukaku will be tough to hold onto due to the former's desire to stay at Barca and the latter's pricetag, but like Ewerk says the CL will make them far more attractive and Martinez's system will also be a draw as it makes good footballers shine. They sold Fellaini but brought in McCarthy who was far cheaper and fits Martinez's system really well, whereas our plums sold Cabaye then had a look for a player that is a replica of him after we sold him. We don't really have a system under this nob, we just seemed to rely on Cabaye's ability to make things work and now without him we look lost. That's what worries me the most about Pardew, players like Sissoko and Anita clearly are talented lads and we see brief flashes of it but they look fucking abysmal and completely clueless at the moment. The production Laudrup got out of players like Routledge shows the value of having a system, we just look to be taking the field without any direction and tbh we even looked that way a lot when we were doing better earlier in the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 8989 Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 Wonder how the transfer embargo will impact loan signings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26343 Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 Martinez's system will also be a draw as it makes good footballers shine. They sold Fellaini but brought in McCarthy who was far cheaper and fits Martinez's system really well, whereas our plums sold Cabaye then had a look for a player that is a replica of him after we sold him. We don't really have a system under this nob, we just seemed to rely on Cabaye's ability to make things work and now without him we look lost. That's what worries me the most about Pardew, players like Sissoko and Anita clearly are talented lads and we see brief flashes of it but they look fucking abysmal and completely clueless at the moment. The production Laudrup got out of players like Routledge shows the value of having a system, we just look to be taking the field without any direction and tbh we even looked that way a lot when we were doing better earlier in the season. That's a good point. Ashley wants us to do reasonably well in the league and get the prize money that goes with it and tbf to Pardew it looks like he'll meet his target this season. What has been spoken about by the club more than anything regarding our transfer system though is buying young players and developing them, with an obvious focus on resale values. On this point Pardew has failed miserably. Looking at the players that have been brought in under the current manager only Cabaye has really improved much and even then he had long barren spells. Again it fits in with the graphs that HF produced yesterday. This has to be of concern to the owner and it must have crossed his mind whether another manager could improve the resale values of the player and thus improve the club's profitability further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 That's a good point. Ashley wants us to do reasonably well in the league and get the prize money that goes with it and tbf to Pardew it looks like he'll meet his target this season. What has been spoken about by the club more than anything regarding our transfer system though is buying young players and developing them, with an obvious focus on resale values. On this point Pardew has failed miserably. Looking at the players that have been brought in under the current manager only Cabaye has really improved much and even then he had long barren spells. Again it fits in with the graphs that HF produced yesterday. This has to be of concern to the owner and it must have crossed his mind whether another manager could improve the resale values of the player and thus improve the club's profitability further. I've done a bit for the Mag which they reckon they'll hoy up soon where I say exactly that. Ashley won't replace Pardew for the fans, for better style, for a headbutt, for any string of dreadful results as long as he finisheds top half. BUT, as long as he is spending £15m a year on new blood (as he has since arriving), then he has a clear expectation of those players in their 20's increasing in value. If Pardew is damaging their value, then Ashley will act out of selfish interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooper 940 Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 I've done a bit for the Mag which they reckon they'll hoy up soon where I say exactly that. Ashley won't replace Pardew for the fans, for better style, for a headbutt, for any string of dreadful results as long as he finisheds top half. BUT, as long as he is spending £15m a year on new blood (as he has since arriving), then he has a clear expectation of those players in their 20's increasing in value. If Pardew is damaging their value, then Ashley will act out of selfish interest. If he sacked Pardew would he'd probably have to pay him £9/10 million . I remember reading that contract he's got until 2020 has to be paid in full something like £1.5 million a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 5908 Posted April 8, 2014 Author Share Posted April 8, 2014 I still can't believe there isn't a 12month redundancy clause in that contract Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 My Pardew takedown in the Mag... http://www.themag.co.uk/the-mag-articles/mike-ashley-selling-spending-newcastle-v-everton/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 My Pardew takedown in the Mag... http://www.themag.co.uk/the-mag-articles/mike-ashley-selling-spending-newcastle-v-everton/ Nice work HF and a good read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 6434 Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 Nice work HF and a good read. Agreed. Chez, you've been as robust a proponent of Pardew as we've had over the last few years, I'd be interested to know your current take on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graing 15 Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 My Pardew takedown in the Mag... http://www.themag.co.uk/the-mag-articles/mike-ashley-selling-spending-newcastle-v-everton/ Nice article HF. Insightful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asprilla 96 Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 Saw this on .com..... It's all bollocks man talk about jobs for the boys. It's for the 19 or so games before too.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1117 Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 The issue with Ashley replacing Pardew is that there seems to be no interest at all from Ashley in how the team is performing. As long as we're in the premiership and raking the tv money in there's very little reason for him to get rid of Pardew. I can only see two scenario's in which Pardew is sacked. We go down or we start losing money on players (as HF say's) due to Pardew's inability to get them to perform to their ability. The latter scenario would probably only come about after the previous though. So that's something to look forward to! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 The values of Tiote, Ben arfa, krul, cisse, coloccini and Taylor have all plummeted in the last 2 year I'd say. Without relegation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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