Gemmill 62979 Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 If not, I'd like to formally announce that, if Everton aren't relegated this season, that they WILL be relegated next season. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego21 2465 Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 21 minutes ago, Alex said: The Intercontinental Cup matches Celtic played against Racing Club were supposed to be mental. The second leg was played over there was brutal. Ronnie Simpson (who won two FA Cups with us in the 50s) was injured before the game from a missile. And then there was a playoff third match played in ‘neutral’ Uruguay where six or seven players were sent off. The coach of that Atleti (and 2 players, including the full-back who defended Jimmy Johnstone) was the same coach who had coached Racing Club in those Intercontinental Cups against Celtic. The Scottish press tried to heat up the atmosphere as revenge. That's why it was known that the match between Atletico and Celtic was going to be a massacre. In Glasgow, the Atleti players were very tough. Too much perhaps even for the time. Three of them were sent off and another 7 received yellow. From Celtic, only one player saw the yellow card. But the police had to enter the grass in the first half because several fans went down to the stands to try to attack an Atleti defender and at the end of the game, a fight between players ended with the police attacking the Atleti players in the dressing room. When they arrived at the airport to return to Madrid, even the passport control staff attacked the Atleti players (and some fans). On the return trip, some red and white fans threatened to shoot Johnstone and Celtic were escorted by police throughout the trip. PS The Atleti players were sanctioned with 3 games (even though they were sent off for a double yellow card) and could not play in the second leg of those European Cup semi-finals, nor the final, nor the replay of the final (in In the final we tied against Bayern and since there was no extra time, another game was played 2 days later). 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 42058 Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Diego21 said: The coach of that Atleti (and 2 players, including the full-back who defended Jimmy Johnstone) was the same coach who had coached Racing Club in those Intercontinental Cups against Celtic. The Scottish press tried to heat up the atmosphere as revenge. That's why it was known that the match between Atletico and Celtic was going to be a massacre. In Glasgow, the Atleti players were very tough. Too much perhaps even for the time. Three of them were sent off and another 7 received yellow. From Celtic, only one player saw the yellow card. But the police had to enter the grass in the first half because several fans went down to the stands to try to attack an Atleti defender and at the end of the game, a fight between players ended with the police attacking the Atleti players in the dressing room. When they arrived at the airport to return to Madrid, even the passport control staff attacked the Atleti players (and some fans). On the return trip, some red and white fans threatened to shoot Johnstone and Celtic were escorted by police throughout the trip. PS The Atleti players were sanctioned with 3 games (even though they were sent off for a double yellow card) and could not play in the second leg of those European Cup semi-finals, nor the final, nor the replay of the final (in In the final we tied against Bayern and since there was no extra time, another game was played 2 days later). Cheers. I never knew that about it being the same manager of both clubs. Edit: also thinking about it, Jock Stein would have still been the Celtic manager all those years later too Edited October 25, 2023 by Alex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 12521 Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 23 minutes ago, Gemmill said: If not, I'd like to formally announce that, if Everton aren't relegated this season, that they WILL be relegated next season. I was asking because going off their performance metrics, they're actually creating a good number of chances and not allowing many either. If they don't go down this season, it's possible they could get 50-52pts next season and stay up on 38-40pts. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holden McGroin 9863 Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 1 hour ago, Gemmill said: If not, I'd like to formally announce that, if Everton aren't relegated this season, that they WILL be relegated next season. If you keep saying it might come true one day. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aimaad22 5948 Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 Lots of fewm from Everton fans on the potential sanction whilst the City case drags on. Not exactly the same type of breaches the two though? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 15507 Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 3 hours ago, Holden McGroin said: If you keep saying it might come true one day. If he’d stop saying it, it’d happen this season 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzler 16112 Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 14 hours ago, aimaad22 said: Lots of fewm from Everton fans on the potential sanction whilst the City case drags on. Not exactly the same type of breaches the two though? Man City's are worse and over a much longer period, so if Everton got 12 points then Man City should get a lot more. To me it's a load of bollocks. They'll get a fine and a slap on the wrist - The PL is bent sideways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 28481 Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 The City case is more complex. Evertons should be finalised before Christmas apparently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 62979 Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 12 point deduction under the tree. That'll be my best present since I got a BMX as a kid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 22422 Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 Why are Man City being given months to prepare a no doubt stout (and ludicrously expensive ) defence but Everton are apparently about to get a 12 point deduction dry no lube? 🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 39128 Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 The Everton case has been going on for a couple of years now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 5277 Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 Is this the shit they pulled over covid losses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzler 16112 Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 1 hour ago, Gemmill said: 12 point deduction under the tree. That'll be my best present since I got a BMX as a kid. On the 12th point of Christmas my true love gave to me......an Everton relegation, 11...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 28481 Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 56 minutes ago, PaddockLad said: Why are Man City being given months to prepare a no doubt stout (and ludicrously expensive ) defence but Everton are apparently about to get a 12 point deduction dry no lube? 🤔 Theyve got 250+ offences against them. Everton have 1 I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzler 16112 Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 40 minutes ago, wykikitoon said: Theyve got 250+ offences against them. Everton have 1 I think. And that one offence should see them get a 50 point deduction for the next five seasons, fuck them. I am more benevolent towards Man City as they always vote in our favour with the PL (or at worst abstain) as fellow gulf state owned beheading enthusiasts trying to ensure they can bring in dodgy gulf state owned commercial deals to buy £100m world beaters. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 15507 Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, NJS said: Is this the shit they pulled over covid losses? Yes, hearing/tribunal is happening because all evidence is available. If they're found guilty they're gonna get sued for lost revenue by the clubs relegated when they cheated as well. Edited October 26, 2023 by Toonpack 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzler 16112 Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 9 minutes ago, Toonpack said: Yes, hearing/tribunal is happening because all evidence is available. If they're found guilty they're gonna get sued for lost revenue by the clubs relegated when they cheated as well. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 28481 Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaser 1914 Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/67258487 Wishing Bas Dost all the best here. Will always be a part of NUFC history, despite never playing for us. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBlue 1141 Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 On 26/10/2023 at 11:14, PaddockLad said: Why are Man City being given months to prepare a no doubt stout (and ludicrously expensive ) defence but Everton are apparently about to get a 12 point deduction dry no lube? 🤔 because we're innocent. btw the 115 charges are really 5 different charges but repeated. something along the lines of "you broke that rule in january, then again in february, etc" plus.... 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougle 4589 Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 12521 Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 1 hour ago, LondonBlue said: because we're innocent. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 17984 Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 2 hours ago, LondonBlue said: because we're innocent. We're just normal men. 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBlue 1141 Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 Oh just a quick one... Paraphrasing Prestwich_Blue on bluemoon from way back in May. It's not "115 charges". It's basically 5, but which cover a number of related rules over multiple years. Charge 1 is about failure to provide accounts that give a true and fair view of the club's financial position relating to revenue and operating costs. This covers 50 combinations of rules/years. Charge 2 covers failing to disclose player and manager remuneration. This covers 24 combinations of rules/years, 6 for manager remuneration and 18 for player remuneration. Charge 3 covers failure to comply with UEFA's FFP. This covers 5 combinations of rules/years. Charge 4 covers failure to comply with the PL's own Profit & Sustainability rules. This covers 6 combinations of rule/years. Charge 5 covers non-cooperation. This covers 30 combinations of rules/years. Charge 1 looks very much like Charge 2 plus sponsorship agreements. The PL will probably struggle to land the sponsorship stuff, as did UEFA. In relation to financial offences it's likely mostly down to charge 2. If we're found not to have breached any of the rules in headings 1 or 2 in any of the years, then both 3 and 4 may be irrelevant, and the charges will fail by default. The non-cooperation charges are probably the ones most likely to succeed, if any do. There is a bit of a fuss about Mancini's Al Jazira contract. But that ended in 2012, which was the first year of FFP, which we know we failed and ended up agreeing a settlement with UEFA. UEFA discussed payment of player image rights via Fordham as reported by Reuters with us in 2015, there was no case for disciplinary action. I expect we won't hear much until it's done although the losing side might possibly spin some PR down the line. City's case will be heard by a Premier League appointed Arsenal supporting KC with no recourse to the law courts. Funny how City were the only club pushing for an independent financial regulator. I know you guys probably don't care but these are the obstacles that you too face. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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