Billy Whitehurst 790 Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 If they don't buy anyone then they'll be short in January/February when Kone, Djilobodji, Khazri and N'Dong go to the ACN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoneColdStephenIreland 74 Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 I can see West Ham going in for Defoe in January as they haven't got a striker consistently scoring, so I wouldnt be surprised to see them test his resolve to get back down to London. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26441 Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 No chance they'll let him go mid-season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 I put the us/Chelsea double on thinking am easy victory against big eyes would coin me some easy cash. Then i looked and realised I'd accidentally selected Chelsea v Pardiola this weekend! You just know the horrendous cunt will have one of his spawn gqmew. Long overdue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 9009 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 No chance they'll let him go mid-season. They're flat broke, if Defoe is tempted could they resist a daft (£10m bid)? More chance of Pickford going to Liverpool for megabucks, to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26441 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 Of course they'll turn it down if it means losing tens of millions in PL money next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 9009 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 Of course they'll turn it down if it means losing tens of millions in PL money next season. I know (and I'm mostly playing Devil's advocate), but Short should surely see that investing >£20m of his own money would save him 5 times that come May, but he won't do it. £10m for Defoe, £15m for Kone and £25m for Pickford might be £50m of players worth "losing" if it can be reinvested for survival, or used to pay down the debt in anticipation of relegation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 It does seem unlikely but then again Short was quite happy to sell off a number of their 'key' players for buttons over the summer and then fail to adequately replace them. £10m for Defoe would be an amazing deal for a 35 year old and Short may well conclude that they can reinvest that. Ultimately I think ewerk has the right of it, but Sunderland are a fantastically unpredictable club in this respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 9009 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 It does seem unlikely but then again Short was quite happy to sell off a number of their 'key' players for buttons over the summer and then fail to adequately replace them. £10m for Defoe would be an amazing deal for a 35 year old and Short may well conclude that they can reinvest that. Ultimately I think ewerk has the right of it, but Sunderland are a fantastically unpredictable club in this respect. I saw something on RTG that after buying 46 players since 2009, they've only made a profit on something like 3-4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 The thing that amazes me is that they've had this issue for almost a decade, they've had different people in charge of recruitment, but they still buy shit. You'd think it would have been identified as 'something to address' by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 5937 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 I saw something on RTG that after buying 46 players since 2009, they've only made a profit on something like 3-4. It's funny that they publicly admit they want to become a more profitable selling club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 9009 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 The thing that amazes me is that they've had this issue for almost a decade, they've had different people in charge of recruitment, but they still buy shit. You'd think it would have been identified as 'something to address' by now. Even before the debt revelations, the consensus seemed to be that relegation was literally the worst thing that can happen. And despite clubs like West Ham, Southampton, Leicester and us (twice) showing that you can bounce back from relegation and be stronger for the experience, they think that way leads to rack and ruin. With their financial problems, it might be a big ask to bounce back at the first time of asking, but the club needs an overhaul and they'll never do that if they're too terrified of the drop to risk a new approach. The Championship is more forgiving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 9009 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 It's funny that they publicly admit they want to become a more profitable selling club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leon 13 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 If they are on as broke as is being suggested, what is the cutoff to go into administration to prevent the points deduction being carried across to next season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30450 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 Even before the debt revelations, the consensus seemed to be that relegation was literally the worst thing that can happen. And despite clubs like West Ham, Southampton, Leicester and us (twice) showing that you can bounce back from relegation and be stronger for the experience, they think that way leads to rack and ruin. With their financial problems, it might be a big ask to bounce back at the first time of asking, but the club needs an overhaul and they'll never do that if they're too terrified of the drop to risk a new approach. The Championship is more forgiving. Aye I suppose the fact they've pulled off loads of escapes, at least a couple of which were frankly incredible, has preventing them from being forced to make the sort of root and branch changes the club seems to need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19837 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 i don't get how they can be so broke when there's never been as much tv money sloshing around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 9009 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 i don't get how they can be so broke when there's never been as much tv money sloshing around Pay over the odds in transfer fees and player wages Almost never make a profit on a player sale Rarely get televised games Can't do brilliantly in merchandising as surely it's only the surrounding area that buys the shirts and SIX IN A ROW FTM VHS tapes? Don't get much in sponsorship because they're not very good and rarely on tv. actually here you go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12461 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 i don't get how they can be so broke when there's never been as much tv money sloshing around They have to pay all matchday expenses out of pocket, I'm sure essemmbee has better figures but I believe it's due to the fact they have to give out 46,000 free tickets per game. Disaster of a club tbh, they pay exorbitant wages compared to other clubs and sign a lot of shite for a fair whack of money before losing them at a loss. Like Fletcher, he cost them 14m and 60-80k a week for 4 years before leaving for nowt, I've little to no doubt players like Borini, Khazri etc were signed for similar, will make similar and will walk off for next to nowt. I'm sure the interest payments on a lot of their debt are assisting to cripple the club, the mackems keep saying most of the debt is to Short but I've got a feeling that's wishful thinking and based off how our debt is structured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essembeeofsunderland 811 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 And still got beat They only had 38% possession against rock bottom Swansea.Big Eyes plays for a narrow defeat or a draw whether at home or away then waxes lyrical if they concede a single goal, then blames the officials,then says he isn't going to blame the officials.On rtg they're getting pissed of with the shit he talks.I like listening to him talk shite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12461 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 Pay over the odds in transfer fees and player wages Almost never make a profit on a player sale Rarely get televised games Can't do brilliantly in merchandising as surely it's only the surrounding area that buys the shirts and SIX IN A ROW FTM VHS tapes? Don't get much in sponsorship because they're not very good and rarely on tv. actually here you go Least marketable club in the league you reckon? There's a real argument they might be, teams like Burnley and Bournemouth are seen as plucky underdogs and play some nice football from time to time, Sunderland never get a fucking mention though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30450 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 Pay over the odds in transfer fees and player wages Almost never make a profit on a player sale Rarely get televised games Can't do brilliantly in merchandising as surely it's only the surrounding area that buys the shirts and SIX IN A ROW FTM VHS tapes? Don't get much in sponsorship because they're not very good and rarely on tv. actually here you go Well, that's cheered me up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12461 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 They only had 38% possession against rock bottom Swansea.Big Eyes plays for a narrow defeat or a draw whether at home or away then waxes lyrical if they concede a single goal, then blames the officials,then says he isn't going to blame the officials.On rtg they're getting pissed of with the shit he talks.I like listening to him talk shite. Aye Moyes plays for narrow losses against top sides. He played with 7 defenders and the mackems are falling over themselves to act like 2 of them have never really been defenders despite being bought as them, whatever way you slice it a back 5 and 2 DM's is a ridiculously defensive side at home ffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 9009 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 Ours is more "wasted potential" than "fucking fucked in the fucking fuckhole". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essembeeofsunderland 811 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 Well,let's all hope those sad makem bastards get relegated next May then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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